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*Caldwell, Larry
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11-10-2002 03:26 AM in reply to:
*Caldwell, Larry
Thanks Jeff, I'll give it a look.
The only heavy plate was the deck plate. It was like 1" to maybe 1.5", hard
to remember really even though I usually got the job of burning them in and
flushing the weld bevel so they could be welded to the mating section. The
skin was at least 1/4 but maybe 3/8. Sorry I'm so foggy about it.
~Larry
"Jeff Howard" wrote in message
news:3E5865D4D954F83BB96FC449F981F68C@in.WebX.maYI
> Hi, Larry.
>
> Sorry, I left out the "how to get into MDT" part. The command is IGESIN.
> There are good and bad surfaces superimposed, so turn off or freeze the
layers
> you don't want visible. If that doesn't work and you are interested, I
can
> post or email some jpg's.
>
> Profile weight.... referring to the loft dialog (in IV6) Conditions -
> Weight. It's value must not be the reason you see the error. I guess it
can
> be generated when lofting between mulitple profiles, but an example
doesn't
> come to mind. I may be misinterpreting what the error message is telling
us,
> too (assuming it's not picked by a random number generator). Any how,
if
> you'll post one when you come across it, I'll see if I can offer an
> explanation for it.
>
> Maintain value... same thing as the profile weight.
>
> How thick were the plates?
>
> Jeff
> ============================
>
>
>
The only heavy plate was the deck plate. It was like 1" to maybe 1.5", hard
to remember really even though I usually got the job of burning them in and
flushing the weld bevel so they could be welded to the mating section. The
skin was at least 1/4 but maybe 3/8. Sorry I'm so foggy about it.
~Larry
"Jeff Howard"
news:3E5865D4D954F83BB96FC449F981F68C@in.WebX.maYI
> Hi, Larry.
>
> Sorry, I left out the "how to get into MDT" part. The command is IGESIN.
> There are good and bad surfaces superimposed, so turn off or freeze the
layers
> you don't want visible. If that doesn't work and you are interested, I
can
> post or email some jpg's.
>
> Profile weight.... referring to the loft dialog (in IV6) Conditions -
> Weight. It's value must not be the reason you see the error. I guess it
can
> be generated when lofting between mulitple profiles, but an example
doesn't
> come to mind. I may be misinterpreting what the error message is telling
us,
> too (assuming it's not picked by a random number generator
if
> you'll post one when you come across it, I'll see if I can offer an
> explanation for it.
>
> Maintain value... same thing as the profile weight.
>
> How thick were the plates?
>
> Jeff
> ============================
>
>
>
*Caldwell, Larry
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11-10-2002 03:33 AM in reply to:
*Caldwell, Larry
I'm sure things are much different now Kent ... noth'n like when we were
kids, eh? Ever remember staring at a test pattern wondering if any
programs were going to come on?
~Larry
"Kent Keller" wrote in message
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> I had read this a while back in the Fabricator magazine. It doesn't get
> into to much detail, but it is interesting non the less. It sounds to me
> they panels are fully formed now days before being welded (if I remember
> right....didn't read the whole article)
>
> Anne could probably shed some light on this for us 8^)
>
>
http://www.thefabricator.com/xp/Fabricator/Article
> 99.xml
>
> --
> Kent Keller
> Member of the Autodesk Discussion Forum Moderator Program
>
> http://www.MyMcad.com/KWiK/Mcad.htm
>
> "Larry Caldwell" wrote in message
>
>
> but I think, for the most part,
> > the skin started out as plane ol' flat plate. The welders would weld it
in
> > place on one end and weld some pad-eyes on beside the location of a rib.
>
>
>
>
kids, eh?
programs were going to come on?
~Larry
"Kent Keller"
news:E23718A65BF5A8B835143DDBA35261B9@in.WebX.maYI
> I had read this a while back in the Fabricator magazine. It doesn't get
> into to much detail, but it is interesting non the less. It sounds to me
> they panels are fully formed now days before being welded (if I remember
> right....didn't read the whole article)
>
> Anne could probably shed some light on this for us 8^)
>
>
http://www.thefabricator.com/xp/Fabricator/Article
> 99.xml
>
> --
> Kent Keller
> Member of the Autodesk Discussion Forum Moderator Program
>
> http://www.MyMcad.com/KWiK/Mcad.htm
>
> "Larry Caldwell"
>
>
> but I think, for the most part,
> > the skin started out as plane ol' flat plate. The welders would weld it
in
> > place on one end and weld some pad-eyes on beside the location of a rib.
>
>
>
>
*Caldwell, Larry
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11-10-2002 03:59 AM in reply to:
*Caldwell, Larry
Figured it was a command-line deal. That is an excellent demonstration of
what happens. Much easier to see in MDT. I'm going to go back and mess with
that a bit. Thanks Jeff! I assume I could take whacked surfaces like that
from Inventor, save them as igs and go look at them in MDT. Cool!
~Larry
"Jeff Howard" wrote in message
news:3E5865D4D954F83BB96FC449F981F68C@in.WebX.maYI
> Hi, Larry.
>
> Sorry, I left out the "how to get into MDT" part. The command is IGESIN.
> There are good and bad surfaces superimposed, so turn off or freeze the
layers
> you don't want visible. If that doesn't work and you are interested, I
can
> post or email some jpg's.
>
> Profile weight.... referring to the loft dialog (in IV6) Conditions -
> Weight. It's value must not be the reason you see the error. I guess it
can
> be generated when lofting between mulitple profiles, but an example
doesn't
> come to mind. I may be misinterpreting what the error message is telling
us,
> too (assuming it's not picked by a random number generator). Any how,
if
> you'll post one when you come across it, I'll see if I can offer an
> explanation for it.
>
> Maintain value... same thing as the profile weight.
>
> How thick were the plates?
>
> Jeff
> ============================
>
>
>
what happens. Much easier to see in MDT. I'm going to go back and mess with
that a bit. Thanks Jeff! I assume I could take whacked surfaces like that
from Inventor, save them as igs and go look at them in MDT. Cool!
~Larry
"Jeff Howard"
news:3E5865D4D954F83BB96FC449F981F68C@in.WebX.maYI
> Hi, Larry.
>
> Sorry, I left out the "how to get into MDT" part. The command is IGESIN.
> There are good and bad surfaces superimposed, so turn off or freeze the
layers
> you don't want visible. If that doesn't work and you are interested, I
can
> post or email some jpg's.
>
> Profile weight.... referring to the loft dialog (in IV6) Conditions -
> Weight. It's value must not be the reason you see the error. I guess it
can
> be generated when lofting between mulitple profiles, but an example
doesn't
> come to mind. I may be misinterpreting what the error message is telling
us,
> too (assuming it's not picked by a random number generator
if
> you'll post one when you come across it, I'll see if I can offer an
> explanation for it.
>
> Maintain value... same thing as the profile weight.
>
> How thick were the plates?
>
> Jeff
> ============================
>
>
>
*Jeffrey, Dennis
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11-10-2002 04:23 AM in reply to:
*Caldwell, Larry
Actually, you can do Insert - IGES from the pulldowns.....
Before doing an IGESIN, you need to examine the .IGS in notepad. Look at the
header for clues on the source of translation, and/or unit type, precision,
etc. This can give you some insight on which option file to use in MDT. The
option files are located in the MDT support directory....
Dennis
Larry Caldwell wrote:
> Figured it was a command-line deal. That is an excellent demonstration of
> what happens. Much easier to see in MDT. I'm going to go back and mess with
> that a bit. Thanks Jeff! I assume I could take whacked surfaces like that
> from Inventor, save them as igs and go look at them in MDT. Cool!
> ~Larry
>
> "Jeff Howard" wrote in message
> news:3E5865D4D954F83BB96FC449F981F68C@in.WebX.maYI
> > Hi, Larry.
> >
> > Sorry, I left out the "how to get into MDT" part. The command is IGESIN.
> > There are good and bad surfaces superimposed, so turn off or freeze the
> layers
> > you don't want visible. If that doesn't work and you are interested, I
> can
> > post or email some jpg's.
> >
> > Profile weight.... referring to the loft dialog (in IV6) Conditions -
> > Weight. It's value must not be the reason you see the error. I guess it
> can
> > be generated when lofting between mulitple profiles, but an example
> doesn't
> > come to mind. I may be misinterpreting what the error message is telling
> us,
> > too (assuming it's not picked by a random number generator). Any how,
> if
> > you'll post one when you come across it, I'll see if I can offer an
> > explanation for it.
> >
> > Maintain value... same thing as the profile weight.
> >
> > How thick were the plates?
> >
> > Jeff
> > ============================
> >
> >
> >
--
Dennis Jeffrey
CAD Associates - Fort Wayne
Autodesk ASC
(260-432-9695 x 221
Before doing an IGESIN, you need to examine the .IGS in notepad. Look at the
header for clues on the source of translation, and/or unit type, precision,
etc. This can give you some insight on which option file to use in MDT. The
option files are located in the MDT support directory....
Dennis
Larry Caldwell wrote:
> Figured it was a command-line deal. That is an excellent demonstration of
> what happens. Much easier to see in MDT. I'm going to go back and mess with
> that a bit. Thanks Jeff! I assume I could take whacked surfaces like that
> from Inventor, save them as igs and go look at them in MDT. Cool!
> ~Larry
>
> "Jeff Howard"
> news:3E5865D4D954F83BB96FC449F981F68C@in.WebX.maYI
> > Hi, Larry.
> >
> > Sorry, I left out the "how to get into MDT" part. The command is IGESIN.
> > There are good and bad surfaces superimposed, so turn off or freeze the
> layers
> > you don't want visible. If that doesn't work and you are interested, I
> can
> > post or email some jpg's.
> >
> > Profile weight.... referring to the loft dialog (in IV6) Conditions -
> > Weight. It's value must not be the reason you see the error. I guess it
> can
> > be generated when lofting between mulitple profiles, but an example
> doesn't
> > come to mind. I may be misinterpreting what the error message is telling
> us,
> > too (assuming it's not picked by a random number generator
> if
> > you'll post one when you come across it, I'll see if I can offer an
> > explanation for it.
> >
> > Maintain value... same thing as the profile weight.
> >
> > How thick were the plates?
> >
> > Jeff
> > ============================
> >
> >
> >
--
Dennis Jeffrey
CAD Associates - Fort Wayne
Autodesk ASC
(260-432-9695 x 221
*Caldwell, Larry
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11-10-2002 05:41 AM in reply to:
*Caldwell, Larry
Well, at least I can tell it was done in Rhino, what the directory it was in
and I'd guess it was done in R5.3.
Other than that ... looks like he went fishing for trout at the lake on the
24th and caught 31 o'them suckers. I can also tell it was most likely done
in Hinches instead of Hillimeters. The rest of it might as well be in
Japanese.
1H,,1H;,, G1
39HD:\MyData\Temp\temp4\UV same or opp.igs, G2
26HRhinoceros ( Apr 24 2002 ),31HTrout Lake IGES 012 Apr 24 2002, G3
32,38,6,308,15, G4, G5
1.0D0,1,4HINCH,1,0.01D0,13H021110.065134, G6
0.0001D0, G7
5.303884310917129D0,
~Larry
"Dennis Jeffrey" wrote in message
news:3DCEC03D.538961C9@cadassociates.com...
> Actually, you can do Insert - IGES from the pulldowns.....
>
> Before doing an IGESIN, you need to examine the .IGS in notepad. Look at
the
> header for clues on the source of translation, and/or unit type,
precision,
> etc. This can give you some insight on which option file to use in MDT.
The
> option files are located in the MDT support directory....
>
> Dennis
>
> Larry Caldwell wrote:
>
> > Figured it was a command-line deal. That is an excellent demonstration
of
> > what happens. Much easier to see in MDT. I'm going to go back and mess
with
> > that a bit. Thanks Jeff! I assume I could take whacked surfaces like
that
> > from Inventor, save them as igs and go look at them in MDT. Cool!
> > ~Larry
> >
> > "Jeff Howard" wrote in message
> > news:3E5865D4D954F83BB96FC449F981F68C@in.WebX.maYI
> > > Hi, Larry.
> > >
> > > Sorry, I left out the "how to get into MDT" part. The command is
IGESIN.
> > > There are good and bad surfaces superimposed, so turn off or freeze
the
> > layers
> > > you don't want visible. If that doesn't work and you are interested,
I
> > can
> > > post or email some jpg's.
> > >
> > > Profile weight.... referring to the loft dialog (in IV6)
Conditions -
> > > Weight. It's value must not be the reason you see the error. I guess
it
> > can
> > > be generated when lofting between mulitple profiles, but an example
> > doesn't
> > > come to mind. I may be misinterpreting what the error message is
telling
> > us,
> > > too (assuming it's not picked by a random number generator). Any
how,
> > if
> > > you'll post one when you come across it, I'll see if I can offer an
> > > explanation for it.
> > >
> > > Maintain value... same thing as the profile weight.
> > >
> > > How thick were the plates?
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > > ============================
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> --
> Dennis Jeffrey
> CAD Associates - Fort Wayne
> Autodesk ASC
> (260-432-9695 x 221
>
>
and I'd guess it was done in R5.3.
Other than that ... looks like he went fishing for trout at the lake on the
24th and caught 31 o'them suckers. I can also tell it was most likely done
in Hinches instead of Hillimeters.
Japanese.
1H,,1H;,, G1
39HD:\MyData\Temp\temp4\UV same or opp.igs, G2
26HRhinoceros ( Apr 24 2002 ),31HTrout Lake IGES 012 Apr 24 2002, G3
32,38,6,308,15, G4, G5
1.0D0,1,4HINCH,1,0.01D0,13H021110.065134, G6
0.0001D0, G7
5.303884310917129D0,
~Larry
"Dennis Jeffrey"
news:3DCEC03D.538961C9@cadassociates.com...
> Actually, you can do Insert - IGES from the pulldowns.....
>
> Before doing an IGESIN, you need to examine the .IGS in notepad. Look at
the
> header for clues on the source of translation, and/or unit type,
precision,
> etc. This can give you some insight on which option file to use in MDT.
The
> option files are located in the MDT support directory....
>
> Dennis
>
> Larry Caldwell wrote:
>
> > Figured it was a command-line deal. That is an excellent demonstration
of
> > what happens. Much easier to see in MDT. I'm going to go back and mess
with
> > that a bit. Thanks Jeff! I assume I could take whacked surfaces like
that
> > from Inventor, save them as igs and go look at them in MDT. Cool!
> > ~Larry
> >
> > "Jeff Howard"
> > news:3E5865D4D954F83BB96FC449F981F68C@in.WebX.maYI
> > > Hi, Larry.
> > >
> > > Sorry, I left out the "how to get into MDT" part. The command is
IGESIN.
> > > There are good and bad surfaces superimposed, so turn off or freeze
the
> > layers
> > > you don't want visible. If that doesn't work and you are interested,
I
> > can
> > > post or email some jpg's.
> > >
> > > Profile weight.... referring to the loft dialog (in IV6)
Conditions -
> > > Weight. It's value must not be the reason you see the error. I guess
it
> > can
> > > be generated when lofting between mulitple profiles, but an example
> > doesn't
> > > come to mind. I may be misinterpreting what the error message is
telling
> > us,
> > > too (assuming it's not picked by a random number generator
how,
> > if
> > > you'll post one when you come across it, I'll see if I can offer an
> > > explanation for it.
> > >
> > > Maintain value... same thing as the profile weight.
> > >
> > > How thick were the plates?
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > > ============================
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> --
> Dennis Jeffrey
> CAD Associates - Fort Wayne
> Autodesk ASC
> (260-432-9695 x 221
>
>
*Brown, Anne
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11-10-2002 07:09 AM in reply to:
*Caldwell, Larry
http://www.biw.com/ look under Shipbuilding. Joe's in the middle
of a Patriot's football game so wouldn't do any more than say
"yes dear" on ship design right now
There is the first flat drydock launch out of the new facility
tomorrow. Great treat for Veterans' Day to see ARLEIGH BURKE
Class AEGIS guided missile destroyer start her life at sea.
Anne
Kent Keller wrote:
(snip) It sounds to me they panels are fully formed now days
before being welded (if I remember right....didn't read the whole
article)
>
> Anne could probably shed some light on this for us 8^)
of a Patriot's football game so wouldn't do any more than say
"yes dear" on ship design right now
There is the first flat drydock launch out of the new facility
tomorrow. Great treat for Veterans' Day to see ARLEIGH BURKE
Class AEGIS guided missile destroyer start her life at sea.
Anne
Kent Keller wrote:
(snip) It sounds to me they panels are fully formed now days
before being welded (if I remember right....didn't read the whole
article)
>
> Anne could probably shed some light on this for us 8^)
*Maenpaa, Mike
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11-10-2002 10:38 AM in reply to:
*Caldwell, Larry
I wish the Bears, would have concentrated as hard as he did! I can't believe
they let the Pats have that one!
Mike
Joe's in the middle of a Patriot's football game so wouldn't do any more
than say
"yes dear" on ship design right now
they let the Pats have that one!
Mike
Joe's in the middle of a Patriot's football game so wouldn't do any more
than say
"yes dear" on ship design right now
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11-10-2002 09:01 PM in reply to:
*Caldwell, Larry
For me an example of the "Surfaces U & V same or opposite" error message is
a synch. With just the first and last profiles and the top wire the loft
works fine. Try to make the same loft with the third profile, wire or not:
Error. I also tried it the other way with the two profiles and two/three
wires (other two wires made like the construction lines on the deck): same
error. If you can say why I continually get these errors and know a way
around it, I might actually be able to use this feature. (Emphasis on
might.) Thanks!
~Larry
"Jeff Howard" wrote in message
news:3E5865D4D954F83BB96FC449F981F68C@in.WebX.maYI
> Hi, Larry.
>
> Sorry, I left out the "how to get into MDT" part. The command is IGESIN.
> There are good and bad surfaces superimposed, so turn off or freeze the
layers
> you don't want visible. If that doesn't work and you are interested, I
can
> post or email some jpg's.
>
> Profile weight.... referring to the loft dialog (in IV6) Conditions -
> Weight. It's value must not be the reason you see the error. I guess it
can
> be generated when lofting between mulitple profiles, but an example
doesn't
> come to mind. I may be misinterpreting what the error message is telling
us,
> too (assuming it's not picked by a random number generator). Any how,
if
> you'll post one when you come across it, I'll see if I can offer an
> explanation for it.
>
> Maintain value... same thing as the profile weight.
>
> How thick were the plates?
>
> Jeff
> ============================
>
>
>
a synch. With just the first and last profiles and the top wire the loft
works fine. Try to make the same loft with the third profile, wire or not:
Error. I also tried it the other way with the two profiles and two/three
wires (other two wires made like the construction lines on the deck): same
error. If you can say why I continually get these errors and know a way
around it, I might actually be able to use this feature. (Emphasis on
might.)
~Larry
"Jeff Howard"
news:3E5865D4D954F83BB96FC449F981F68C@in.WebX.maYI
> Hi, Larry.
>
> Sorry, I left out the "how to get into MDT" part. The command is IGESIN.
> There are good and bad surfaces superimposed, so turn off or freeze the
layers
> you don't want visible. If that doesn't work and you are interested, I
can
> post or email some jpg's.
>
> Profile weight.... referring to the loft dialog (in IV6) Conditions -
> Weight. It's value must not be the reason you see the error. I guess it
can
> be generated when lofting between mulitple profiles, but an example
doesn't
> come to mind. I may be misinterpreting what the error message is telling
us,
> too (assuming it's not picked by a random number generator
if
> you'll post one when you come across it, I'll see if I can offer an
> explanation for it.
>
> Maintain value... same thing as the profile weight.
>
> How thick were the plates?
>
> Jeff
> ============================
>
>
>
*Howard, Jeff
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11-11-2002 06:31 AM in reply to:
*Caldwell, Larry
Hi, Larry.
Can only speculate that the problem is caused by the 90 deg rotation of the
sketch plane on the nose of the shape (Sketch10). See CF for an alternate
method. Notice also that the profiles will have to extend down into the solid
(Sketch14). I'm assuming that all will work well then.
Jeff
============================
"Larry Caldwell" wrote in message
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For me an example of the "Surfaces U & V same or opposite" error message is
a synch. With just the first and last profiles and the top wire the loft
works fine. Try to make the same loft with the third profile, wire or not:
Error. I also tried it the other way with the two profiles and two/three
wires (other two wires made like the construction lines on the deck): same
error. If you can say why I continually get these errors and know a way
around it, I might actually be able to use this feature. (Emphasis on
might.) Thanks!
~Larry
Can only speculate that the problem is caused by the 90 deg rotation of the
sketch plane on the nose of the shape (Sketch10). See CF for an alternate
method. Notice also that the profiles will have to extend down into the solid
(Sketch14). I'm assuming that all will work well then.
Jeff
============================
"Larry Caldwell"
news:EECEB9D29D1AF050D9FF6D73743FE25A@in.WebX.maYI
For me an example of the "Surfaces U & V same or opposite" error message is
a synch. With just the first and last profiles and the top wire the loft
works fine. Try to make the same loft with the third profile, wire or not:
Error. I also tried it the other way with the two profiles and two/three
wires (other two wires made like the construction lines on the deck): same
error. If you can say why I continually get these errors and know a way
around it, I might actually be able to use this feature. (Emphasis on
might.)
~Larry
*Caldwell, Larry
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11-11-2002 07:20 AM in reply to:
*Caldwell, Larry
I'm going to try a cleaner model than that one is and see what happens using
that technique, but did you try to shell it? I get an error that the edges
or vertex is owned by more than two faces (i.e. part is non-manifold). Not
sure exactly what that means though.
~Larry
"Jeff Howard" wrote in message
news:986C724CFDED3B645C99D1D4BBF5297E@in.WebX.maYI
> Hi, Larry.
>
> Can only speculate that the problem is caused by the 90 deg rotation of
the
> sketch plane on the nose of the shape (Sketch10). See CF for an
alternate
> method. Notice also that the profiles will have to extend down into the
solid
> (Sketch14). I'm assuming that all will work well then.
>
> Jeff
> ============================
>
> "Larry Caldwell" wrote in message
> news:EECEB9D29D1AF050D9FF6D73743FE25A@in.WebX.maYI
> For me an example of the "Surfaces U & V same or opposite" error message
is
> a synch. With just the first and last profiles and the top wire the loft
> works fine. Try to make the same loft with the third profile, wire or not:
> Error. I also tried it the other way with the two profiles and two/three
> wires (other two wires made like the construction lines on the deck): same
> error. If you can say why I continually get these errors and know a way
> around it, I might actually be able to use this feature. (Emphasis on
> might.) Thanks!
> ~Larry
>
>
>
>
>
that technique, but did you try to shell it? I get an error that the edges
or vertex is owned by more than two faces (i.e. part is non-manifold). Not
sure exactly what that means though.
~Larry
"Jeff Howard"
news:986C724CFDED3B645C99D1D4BBF5297E@in.WebX.maYI
> Hi, Larry.
>
> Can only speculate that the problem is caused by the 90 deg rotation of
the
> sketch plane on the nose of the shape (Sketch10). See CF for an
alternate
> method. Notice also that the profiles will have to extend down into the
solid
> (Sketch14). I'm assuming that all will work well then.
>
> Jeff
> ============================
>
> "Larry Caldwell"
> news:EECEB9D29D1AF050D9FF6D73743FE25A@in.WebX.maYI
> For me an example of the "Surfaces U & V same or opposite" error message
is
> a synch. With just the first and last profiles and the top wire the loft
> works fine. Try to make the same loft with the third profile, wire or not:
> Error. I also tried it the other way with the two profiles and two/three
> wires (other two wires made like the construction lines on the deck): same
> error. If you can say why I continually get these errors and know a way
> around it, I might actually be able to use this feature. (Emphasis on
> might.)
> ~Larry
>
>
>
>
>
