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12-04-2002 05:02 AM in reply to:
zeni
Hi all,
Being in the same nboat as most of you; a veteran MDT user recently switched over to Inv, I agree with pretty much all the points made. Also, being a keyboard guy, I do miss the 'hands on' from the ACAD world, hate this point and click stuff..
My biggest peeve, is the sales guys telling you that the switch-over is easy. Easier if you know MDT. The only commonality I've found is the basic modeling and constraint fundamentals. They neglect to tell you that the whole package is different, and requires a new mind-set to be productive.
I've had the 4-day class 'included' with the purchase price, I've read the [pathetic] manuals, and visited most of the 'support sites [thanks sean & charles!!] and I've been using it for about two months now.
Am I more productive? not really, not yet atleast.
Do I find it easier? not yet, but knowing I shouldn't expect the learned ease of MDT, it will be.
Am I fustrated? You bet! but hopefully that will change in time too.
The real 'fustration' is we onced shined, and loved a new challenge, a complexe part / assembly. Now, we're back to square one - 3d modelling 101-, and a simple cube can be a daunting task.
there's my vent.
Being in the same nboat as most of you; a veteran MDT user recently switched over to Inv, I agree with pretty much all the points made. Also, being a keyboard guy, I do miss the 'hands on' from the ACAD world, hate this point and click stuff..
My biggest peeve, is the sales guys telling you that the switch-over is easy. Easier if you know MDT. The only commonality I've found is the basic modeling and constraint fundamentals. They neglect to tell you that the whole package is different, and requires a new mind-set to be productive.
I've had the 4-day class 'included' with the purchase price, I've read the [pathetic] manuals, and visited most of the 'support sites [thanks sean & charles!!] and I've been using it for about two months now.
Am I more productive? not really, not yet atleast.
Do I find it easier? not yet, but knowing I shouldn't expect the learned ease of MDT, it will be.
Am I fustrated? You bet! but hopefully that will change in time too.
The real 'fustration' is we onced shined, and loved a new challenge, a complexe part / assembly. Now, we're back to square one - 3d modelling 101-, and a simple cube can be a daunting task.
there's my vent.
Re: IS INVENTOR REALLY ANY BETTER THAN MECH. DESKTOP??
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12-04-2002 10:20 PM in reply to:
zeni
Thanks lot friends. So there IS light at the end of tunnel. That was all I was looking for.
One question for JDMATHER as you teaches IV, MDT and SolidWorks, you are in a very good position to tell us how would you compare IV to SolidWorks?
One question for JDMATHER as you teaches IV, MDT and SolidWorks, you are in a very good position to tell us how would you compare IV to SolidWorks?
*B....., Jerry
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12-04-2002 11:14 PM in reply to:
zeni
You have got to be kidding and N0!
Jerry.....
Jerry.....
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"zeni" <I
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am new to Inventor. After spending a week or so on Inventor, doubts started to
grow in my mind.Before I get any deeper in Inventor, I have one simple
question if some one can kindly answer it.
NVENTOR REALLY ANY BETTER THAN MECH DESKTOP?? And if so then in what way?
I am in no way against the Inventor as I confessed my inexperience with it.
I really miss the snaping options, keyboard shortcuts and above all keyboard
entry of relative and absolute coordinates. Is there some compensation for
these in inventor?
Any one else share my thinking??
*B....., Jerry
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12-04-2002 11:19 PM in reply to:
zeni
I switched from MDT when Inventor R1 came out
and haven't look back. I only use MDT and AutoCAD to view drawings that
others send me. Inventor is so easy it's scary. Give it some time
and I think you will like it allot, but you must forget your old MDT ways
grasshopper. Jerry B......
and haven't look back. I only use MDT and AutoCAD to view drawings that
others send me. Inventor is so easy it's scary. Give it some time
and I think you will like it allot, but you must forget your old MDT ways
grasshopper. Jerry B......
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man I do want to use Inventor (if it is any better than mech. desktop), but so
far my experience is not so pleasent. (may be it is just the inexperience).
But I do need a kind of confidence at this stage by people who have used both
and are know using Inventor. And I would be very greatful for any
advice.
*B....., Jerry
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12-04-2002 11:24 PM in reply to:
zeni
and to resist is futile!
"Keith Streich" wrote in message
news:7D09038EC609F4A5196BC57016C9B7C9@in.WebX.maYI
> MDT users should just accept the switch to INV, they have paid for the
> development of it! What do the BORG say? "You will be Assimilated"
>
> Keith
>
> "Sean Dotson" wrote in message
> news:0613814D72A8A88B1F522310645392BB@in.WebX.maYI
> > "In the end (which may be a ways down the road?) I find it hard to
believe
> > that they will continue to develop MDT, and I think it is likely it will
> > eventually be dropped, since they have tried so hard to push us all over
> > this direction."
> >
> > I agree. To be honest I think it may happen soon than later...
> >
> > --
> > Sean Dotson, PE
> > http://www.sdotson.com
> > Check the Inventor FAQ for most common questions
> > http://www.sdotson.com/faq.html
> > -----------------------------------------
> > "Kent Keller" wrote in message
> > news:58C41CF5DC00D1CEC9259D35F265B13C@in.WebX.maYI
> > > I am sure most if not all will disagree with many of my opinions but
> here
> > goes.
> > >
> > > Would I currently go back to MDT full time? If I had a
choice......no.
> Do
> > I still use
> > > MDT\Acad for some things......Yes I find it much faster and easier
with
> > some things. Do I
> > > still miss many things from MDT ... Absolutely. There is a lot of
> things
> > I prefer from
> > > MDT such as the one file does it all format, and I am a command line
> > junky.... toolbuttons
> > > slow me way down and hurt my wrist. Customization is easier and
better
> in
> > MDT. I never
> > > had a ounce of problems with paths in MDT and have had a few
nightmares
> in
> > Inventor. (I
> > > know this is opposite for many people) Never had all that many files
> blow
> > up on me in MDT,
> > > but currently am having some major problems in Inventor. (again
opposite
> > of many) MDT's
> > > scenes actually work where Inventors presentation files I cringe every
> > time I have to work
> > > with one.
> > >
> > > I guess I am just one of those square pegs being forced into a round
> hole.
> > Eventually the
> > > corners wear off, and you end up carrying on.
> > >
> > > Conversely Inventor is easier to do many things in. Plane creation is
> ten
> > time easier,
> > > and visualization is better. MDT doesn't have Sheetmetal tools, and
the
> > derived skeleton
> > > method when it all goes right is wonderful. iParts have a lot of
> > advantages, and overall
> > > Inventor is getting much better each release.
> > >
> > > If you should convert or not is really up to you as opposed to what
some
> > of the zealots
> > > say. If you have the time to unlearn and relearn I would guess
you
> > will end up liking
> > > it. I would say it would be best if you can to go to a couple of
> classes
> > to help you get
> > > going. If you don't have the time then I would suggest trying to just
> > play with it as
> > > much as you can until you have a bit of a slow time going on.
> > >
> > > In the end (which may be a ways down the road?) I find it hard to
> believe
> > that they will
> > > continue to develop MDT, and I think it is likely it will eventually
be
> > dropped, since
> > > they have tried so hard to push us all over this direction. With that
> in
> > mind if you plan
> > > on staying current with anything it might be best to start getting
used
> to
> > Inventor. Note
> > > this is all just my speculation and could be completely wrong.
> > >
> > > Both are good products and do some things better than the other.
> > > --
> > > Kent
> > > Member of the Autodesk Discussion Forum Moderator Program
> > >
> > >
> > > "Sean Dotson" wrote in message
> > >
> > > > If Kent chimes in and says he wouldn't go back then I think the
> argument
> > may be over
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
"Keith Streich"
news:7D09038EC609F4A5196BC57016C9B7C9@in.WebX.maYI
> MDT users should just accept the switch to INV, they have paid for the
> development of it! What do the BORG say? "You will be Assimilated"
>
> Keith
>
> "Sean Dotson"
> news:0613814D72A8A88B1F522310645392BB@in.WebX.maYI
> > "In the end (which may be a ways down the road?) I find it hard to
believe
> > that they will continue to develop MDT, and I think it is likely it will
> > eventually be dropped, since they have tried so hard to push us all over
> > this direction."
> >
> > I agree. To be honest I think it may happen soon than later...
> >
> > --
> > Sean Dotson, PE
> > http://www.sdotson.com
> > Check the Inventor FAQ for most common questions
> > http://www.sdotson.com/faq.html
> > -----------------------------------------
> > "Kent Keller"
> > news:58C41CF5DC00D1CEC9259D35F265B13C@in.WebX.maYI
> > > I am sure most if not all will disagree with many of my opinions but
> here
> > goes.
> > >
> > > Would I currently go back to MDT full time? If I had a
choice......no.
> Do
> > I still use
> > > MDT\Acad for some things......Yes I find it much faster and easier
with
> > some things. Do I
> > > still miss many things from MDT ... Absolutely. There is a lot of
> things
> > I prefer from
> > > MDT such as the one file does it all format, and I am a command line
> > junky.... toolbuttons
> > > slow me way down and hurt my wrist. Customization is easier and
better
> in
> > MDT. I never
> > > had a ounce of problems with paths in MDT and have had a few
nightmares
> in
> > Inventor. (I
> > > know this is opposite for many people) Never had all that many files
> blow
> > up on me in MDT,
> > > but currently am having some major problems in Inventor. (again
opposite
> > of many) MDT's
> > > scenes actually work where Inventors presentation files I cringe every
> > time I have to work
> > > with one.
> > >
> > > I guess I am just one of those square pegs being forced into a round
> hole.
> > Eventually the
> > > corners wear off, and you end up carrying on.
> > >
> > > Conversely Inventor is easier to do many things in. Plane creation is
> ten
> > time easier,
> > > and visualization is better. MDT doesn't have Sheetmetal tools, and
the
> > derived skeleton
> > > method when it all goes right is wonderful. iParts have a lot of
> > advantages, and overall
> > > Inventor is getting much better each release.
> > >
> > > If you should convert or not is really up to you as opposed to what
some
> > of the zealots
> > >
you
> > will end up liking
> > > it. I would say it would be best if you can to go to a couple of
> classes
> > to help you get
> > > going. If you don't have the time then I would suggest trying to just
> > play with it as
> > > much as you can until you have a bit of a slow time going on.
> > >
> > > In the end (which may be a ways down the road?) I find it hard to
> believe
> > that they will
> > > continue to develop MDT, and I think it is likely it will eventually
be
> > dropped, since
> > > they have tried so hard to push us all over this direction. With that
> in
> > mind if you plan
> > > on staying current with anything it might be best to start getting
used
> to
> > Inventor. Note
> > > this is all just my speculation and could be completely wrong.
> > >
> > > Both are good products and do some things better than the other.
> > > --
> > > Kent
> > > Member of the Autodesk Discussion Forum Moderator Program
> > >
> > >
> > > "Sean Dotson"
> > >
> > > > If Kent chimes in and says he wouldn't go back then I think the
> argument
> > may be over
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
