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    Anthony
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    Registered: ‎10-03-2011

    Frustration with constraints

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    10-14-2011 09:47 AM

    Being new to Inventor I am still unconvinced by the necessity for the huge amount needed for constraining sketches in Inventor, what is the best and most importantly easiest method of constraining a simple sketch ?

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    cbenner
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    Re: Frustration with constraints

    10-14-2011 09:55 AM in reply to: Anthony

    For the best answer, I recommend posting the version of Inventor you are using, and perhaps a screen shot of the sketch in question, or even the part file so others can look at it.  What kind of training have you had?  Look up user JDMather and see if you can get to the tutorials in his signature, very helpful to new users.

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    ampster
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    Re: Frustration with constraints

    10-14-2011 10:02 AM in reply to: Anthony

    Fully Constrain your sketches and get into the habit of doing so.  There might be an instance where you can get by without constraining a certain portion of your sketch, but it will be minimal if at all.

     

    Look at it this way, in order for Inventor to understand your design concept - and to be able to handle even the slightest change - Inventor needs to know your intentions. Leaving something unconstrained tells Inventor you basically don't care what it does with it.

     

    If you do not constrain sketches, Inventor may provide undesirable results if/when something changes or is added to the design later on.

     

    HTH

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    ampster
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    Re: Frustration with constraints

    10-14-2011 10:08 AM in reply to: ampster

    let me add to that...

     

    My job entails answering the phone when something isn't working right.  I'd say roughly 90% of those issues seem to come from under-constrained sketches.

     

    After they have sent me their files, I start at the top of the feature list and diagnose every sketch, feature, constraint, etc.  After applying a few constraints or dimensions to under-constrained entities, the issue is usually resolved.

     

    Things I see are symetrical geometry for example - or rather that was the design intent, are usually off the center point or center work planes by just a hair or two.  Applying dimensions and constraints to center the geometry works practically all the time.

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    Re: Frustration with constraints

    10-14-2011 10:21 AM in reply to: Anthony

    Anthony wrote:

    I am still unconvinced by the necessity


    I have see zero, zip, nil evidence that not fully constraining sketches is any faster than constraining sketches.
    In fact, all the evidence I have seen is just the opposite.

    Virtually all of the fastest and best designers I have taught - fully constrain their sketches (OK, there are relatively rare times when it isn't necessary - but that is for experienced users - not beginners.)  Beginners should definately fully constrain.

     

    And, now read this carefully, and then read it again - once you learn how to use Inventor you don't even add many constraints yourself - Inventor does it for you automatically in the background.

    Missing dimensions?  Send to the shop floor and see how far that gets you.
    Oddball dimensions?  See above.  You will quickly loose all credibility that is tough to gain back.  The shop floor guys will go out of their way to show what an idiot you are.  Do good work and they will point out your mistakes to you (rather than the boss) to help you improve the design and not even say anything to the boss.

     

    You might start by reading this document http://home.pct.edu/~jmather/skillsusa%20university.pdf

    then come back here in a year and review your post.

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    jclaidler
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    Re: Frustration with constraints

    10-14-2011 11:01 AM in reply to: JDMather

    Best advice... fully constrain all sketches.  First use 'geometric' constraints, then 'dimensional'.

     

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    Re: Frustration with constraints

    10-14-2011 11:03 AM in reply to: JDMather

    JDMather wrote
    Oddball dimensions?  See above.  You will quickly loose all credibility that is tough to gain back.  The shop floor guys will go out of their way to show what an idiot you are.  Do good work and they will point out your mistakes to you (rather than the boss) to help you improve the design and not even say anything to the boss.

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    Re: Frustration with constraints

    10-14-2011 11:05 AM in reply to: Anthony

    The best method is to fully contrain your sketches. To help with that and to make it easier make sure Contraint Inference and Persistance is turned on.

     

    Especially because you're just starting out believe everyone when they say fully contraining is sketches is the way to go. You can get really unpredictable results that are very difficult to resolve later on.

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    Re: Frustration with constraints

    10-14-2011 11:39 AM in reply to: Anthony

    Hi Anthony,

     In addition to the other replies, this might be of interest:

    http://inventortrenches.blogspot.com/2011/03/inventor-101-simple-fully-constrained.html

     

    I hope this helps.
    Best of luck to you in all of your Inventor pursuits,
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    Re: Frustration with constraints

    10-14-2011 12:05 PM in reply to: Anthony

    Take this challenge - post some parts you have already created (don't go back and clean them up).

    Let's see what others could offer as techniques that would add design intent value to your technique.

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