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    *Radlin, David

    Re:

    11-06-2002 01:23 AM in reply to: *Laimer, Leo
    You could choose to wait for the big one while some
    could still benefit from the small ones.

     

    Dave


    style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    I
    was just going to type the same thing. On top of that each service pack needs
    testing time before deployment. Fewer SP means getting some more time to test
    them before deployment. Every patch they send out also has to be deployed
    across the company user base. For a large company this can be quite a bit of
    work. My IS department would kill me if we ran into the number of SP that SW
    typically has. I wouldn't want the quick hotfix approach of heres a bug, fix
    it and quickly throw out a patch.
    Please use plain text.
    *Radlin, David

    Re:

    11-06-2002 01:31 AM in reply to: *Laimer, Leo
    Red herring....

    Dave

    "Sean Dotson" wrote in message
    news:276099780228E9E429B74EBB0669B595@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > "I know you run the chance of something else "breaking" with a service
    pack
    > but in my opinion it is worth the risk."
    >
    > So in your opinion it would be "worth the risk" to get a SP to fix the
    Excel
    > Linking Issue (for example) even if parametrics stopped working all
    > together? I don't think this would be a very popular view.
    >
    > --
    > Sean Dotson, PE
    > http://www.sdotson.com
    > ...sleep is for the weak..
    > -----------------------------------------
    > "Eric Zirkle" <@> wrote in message
    > news:4CAB2AFACE45D233893ED3245ED10D25@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > What's the difference between 15 small service packs and 2 or 3 large
    > > service packs. The difference is they release them as the problems get
    > > found and fixed instead of sitting on the solution until there is a
    large
    > > enough amount to issue a SP. I know you run the chance of something else
    > > "breaking" with a service pack but in my opinion it is worth the risk.
    > >
    > > "Purge" wrote in message
    > > news:2B9062CFA565EE6E980AF0D677C5E751@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > > But how many SP's do they need to have the product be stable? A lot. I
    > > > personally have not seen any Autodesk SP's go pass 4. Correctly me if
    I
    > am
    >
    >
    Please use plain text.
    *Howard, Jeff

    Re: Adesk and the Competition

    11-06-2002 01:38 AM in reply to: *Laimer, Leo
    My preference as well.

    =======================

    "Leo Laimer" wrote in message
    news:BDE3CBBA6D5546C5CC028C906CF5831F@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    ..................
    better stability and quality of the package, over a faster release cycle.
    ................
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    *Dotson, Sean

    Re:

    11-06-2002 02:07 AM in reply to: *Laimer, Leo
    This is not a red herring Dave. Exaggeration for effect possibly but not a
    red herring.

    Red Herring: a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to
    divert attention from the original issue.

    I was addressing a point in his argument. In my opinion it is not
    acceptable for a SP to fix one issue and break another. I don't see how
    that's irrelevant.

    The march must be forward only. If that means only 1 or 2 big SPs then so
    be it. These are my opinions. If you disagree that is your right. However
    I'd get my fallacies straight before casting stones.

    --
    Sean Dotson, PE
    http://www.sdotson.com
    ...sleep is for the weak..
    -----------------------------------------
    "David Radlin" wrote in message
    news:smileyvery-happy:A453CFF836743B49944CFEC1122BA34@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > Red herring....
    >
    > Dave
    >
    > "Sean Dotson" wrote in message
    > news:276099780228E9E429B74EBB0669B595@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > "I know you run the chance of something else "breaking" with a service
    > pack
    > > but in my opinion it is worth the risk."
    > >
    > > So in your opinion it would be "worth the risk" to get a SP to fix the
    > Excel
    > > Linking Issue (for example) even if parametrics stopped working all
    > > together? I don't think this would be a very popular view.
    > >
    > > --
    > > Sean Dotson, PE
    > > http://www.sdotson.com
    > > ...sleep is for the weak..
    > > -----------------------------------------
    > > "Eric Zirkle" <@> wrote in message
    > > news:4CAB2AFACE45D233893ED3245ED10D25@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > > What's the difference between 15 small service packs and 2 or 3 large
    > > > service packs. The difference is they release them as the problems
    get
    > > > found and fixed instead of sitting on the solution until there is a
    > large
    > > > enough amount to issue a SP. I know you run the chance of something
    else
    > > > "breaking" with a service pack but in my opinion it is worth the risk.
    > > >
    > > > "Purge" wrote in message
    > > > news:2B9062CFA565EE6E980AF0D677C5E751@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > > > But how many SP's do they need to have the product be stable? A lot.
    I
    > > > > personally have not seen any Autodesk SP's go pass 4. Correctly me
    if
    > I
    > > am
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
    Please use plain text.
    *Radlin, David

    Re:

    11-06-2002 03:06 AM in reply to: *Laimer, Leo
    "Exaggeration for effect..." - a fallacy none the less.

    Dave

    "Sean Dotson" wrote in message
    news:B4D8DAFCC62FAD9CC99AE9F8B88A3A37@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > This is not a red herring Dave. Exaggeration for effect possibly but not
    a
    > red herring.
    >
    > Red Herring: a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order
    to
    > divert attention from the original issue.
    >
    > I was addressing a point in his argument. In my opinion it is not
    > acceptable for a SP to fix one issue and break another. I don't see how
    > that's irrelevant.
    >
    > The march must be forward only. If that means only 1 or 2 big SPs then so
    > be it. These are my opinions. If you disagree that is your right.
    However
    > I'd get my fallacies straight before casting stones.
    >
    > --
    > Sean Dotson, PE
    > http://www.sdotson.com
    > ...sleep is for the weak..
    > -----------------------------------------
    > "David Radlin" wrote in message
    > news:smileyvery-happy:A453CFF836743B49944CFEC1122BA34@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > Red herring....
    > >
    > > Dave
    > >
    > > "Sean Dotson" wrote in message
    > > news:276099780228E9E429B74EBB0669B595@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > > "I know you run the chance of something else "breaking" with a service
    > > pack
    > > > but in my opinion it is worth the risk."
    > > >
    > > > So in your opinion it would be "worth the risk" to get a SP to fix the
    > > Excel
    > > > Linking Issue (for example) even if parametrics stopped working all
    > > > together? I don't think this would be a very popular view.
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > > Sean Dotson, PE
    > > > http://www.sdotson.com
    > > > ...sleep is for the weak..
    > > > -----------------------------------------
    > > > "Eric Zirkle" <@> wrote in message
    > > > news:4CAB2AFACE45D233893ED3245ED10D25@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > > > What's the difference between 15 small service packs and 2 or 3
    large
    > > > > service packs. The difference is they release them as the problems
    > get
    > > > > found and fixed instead of sitting on the solution until there is a
    > > large
    > > > > enough amount to issue a SP. I know you run the chance of something
    > else
    > > > > "breaking" with a service pack but in my opinion it is worth the
    risk.
    > > > >
    > > > > "Purge" wrote in message
    > > > > news:2B9062CFA565EE6E980AF0D677C5E751@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > > > > But how many SP's do they need to have the product be stable? A
    lot.
    > I
    > > > > > personally have not seen any Autodesk SP's go pass 4. Correctly me
    > if
    > > I
    > > > am
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
    Please use plain text.
    *Dotson, Sean

    Re:

    11-06-2002 03:33 AM in reply to: *Laimer, Leo
    actually no...

    fal·la·cy Pronunciation Key (fl-s)
    n. pl. fal·la·cies
    1.. A false notion.
    2.. A statement or an argument based on a false or invalid inference.
    3.. Incorrectness of reasoning or belief; erroneousness.


    --
    Sean Dotson, PE
    http://www.sdotson.com
    ...sleep is for the weak..
    -----------------------------------------
    "David Radlin" wrote in message
    news:84D28EA9E8FE2FDF3FF9053822547A4B@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > "Exaggeration for effect..." - a fallacy none the less.
    >
    > Dave
    >
    > "Sean Dotson" wrote in message
    > news:B4D8DAFCC62FAD9CC99AE9F8B88A3A37@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > This is not a red herring Dave. Exaggeration for effect possibly but
    not
    > a
    > > red herring.
    > >
    > > Red Herring: a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in
    order
    > to
    > > divert attention from the original issue.
    > >
    > > I was addressing a point in his argument. In my opinion it is not
    > > acceptable for a SP to fix one issue and break another. I don't see how
    > > that's irrelevant.
    > >
    > > The march must be forward only. If that means only 1 or 2 big SPs then
    so
    > > be it. These are my opinions. If you disagree that is your right.
    > However
    > > I'd get my fallacies straight before casting stones.
    > >
    > > --
    > > Sean Dotson, PE
    > > http://www.sdotson.com
    > > ...sleep is for the weak..
    > > -----------------------------------------
    > > "David Radlin" wrote in message
    > > news:smileyvery-happy:A453CFF836743B49944CFEC1122BA34@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > > Red herring....
    > > >
    > > > Dave
    > > >
    > > > "Sean Dotson" wrote in message
    > > > news:276099780228E9E429B74EBB0669B595@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > > > "I know you run the chance of something else "breaking" with a
    service
    > > > pack
    > > > > but in my opinion it is worth the risk."
    > > > >
    > > > > So in your opinion it would be "worth the risk" to get a SP to fix
    the
    > > > Excel
    > > > > Linking Issue (for example) even if parametrics stopped working all
    > > > > together? I don't think this would be a very popular view.
    > > > >
    > > > > --
    > > > > Sean Dotson, PE
    > > > > http://www.sdotson.com
    > > > > ...sleep is for the weak..
    > > > > -----------------------------------------
    > > > > "Eric Zirkle" <@> wrote in message
    > > > > news:4CAB2AFACE45D233893ED3245ED10D25@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > > > > What's the difference between 15 small service packs and 2 or 3
    > large
    > > > > > service packs. The difference is they release them as the
    problems
    > > get
    > > > > > found and fixed instead of sitting on the solution until there is
    a
    > > > large
    > > > > > enough amount to issue a SP. I know you run the chance of
    something
    > > else
    > > > > > "breaking" with a service pack but in my opinion it is worth the
    > risk.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > "Purge" wrote in message
    > > > > > news:2B9062CFA565EE6E980AF0D677C5E751@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > > > > > But how many SP's do they need to have the product be stable? A
    > lot.
    > > I
    > > > > > > personally have not seen any Autodesk SP's go pass 4. Correctly
    me
    > > if
    > > > I
    > > > > am
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
    Please use plain text.
    *Radlin, David

    Re:

    11-06-2002 03:45 AM in reply to: *Laimer, Leo
    Thanks for proving my point...

    Dave

    "Sean Dotson" wrote in message
    news:35DFEA2B4214DE060D621617F900FE8A@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > actually no...
    >
    > fal·la·cy Pronunciation Key (fl-s)
    > n. pl. fal·la·cies
    > 1.. A false notion.
    > 2.. A statement or an argument based on a false or invalid inference.
    > 3.. Incorrectness of reasoning or belief; erroneousness.
    >
    >
    > --
    > Sean Dotson, PE
    > http://www.sdotson.com
    > ...sleep is for the weak..
    > -----------------------------------------
    > "David Radlin" wrote in message
    > news:84D28EA9E8FE2FDF3FF9053822547A4B@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > "Exaggeration for effect..." - a fallacy none the less.
    > >
    > > Dave
    > >
    > > "Sean Dotson" wrote in message
    > > news:B4D8DAFCC62FAD9CC99AE9F8B88A3A37@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > > This is not a red herring Dave. Exaggeration for effect possibly but
    > not
    > > a
    > > > red herring.
    > > >
    > > > Red Herring: a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in
    > order
    > > to
    > > > divert attention from the original issue.
    > > >
    > > > I was addressing a point in his argument. In my opinion it is not
    > > > acceptable for a SP to fix one issue and break another. I don't see
    how
    > > > that's irrelevant.
    > > >
    > > > The march must be forward only. If that means only 1 or 2 big SPs
    then
    > so
    > > > be it. These are my opinions. If you disagree that is your right.
    > > However
    > > > I'd get my fallacies straight before casting stones.
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > > Sean Dotson, PE
    > > > http://www.sdotson.com
    > > > ...sleep is for the weak..
    > > > -----------------------------------------
    > > > "David Radlin" wrote in message
    > > > news:smileyvery-happy:A453CFF836743B49944CFEC1122BA34@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > > > Red herring....
    > > > >
    > > > > Dave
    > > > >
    > > > > "Sean Dotson" wrote in message
    > > > > news:276099780228E9E429B74EBB0669B595@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > > > > "I know you run the chance of something else "breaking" with a
    > service
    > > > > pack
    > > > > > but in my opinion it is worth the risk."
    > > > > >
    > > > > > So in your opinion it would be "worth the risk" to get a SP to fix
    > the
    > > > > Excel
    > > > > > Linking Issue (for example) even if parametrics stopped working
    all
    > > > > > together? I don't think this would be a very popular view.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > --
    > > > > > Sean Dotson, PE
    > > > > > http://www.sdotson.com
    > > > > > ...sleep is for the weak..
    > > > > > -----------------------------------------
    > > > > > "Eric Zirkle" <@> wrote in message
    > > > > > news:4CAB2AFACE45D233893ED3245ED10D25@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > > > > > What's the difference between 15 small service packs and 2 or 3
    > > large
    > > > > > > service packs. The difference is they release them as the
    > problems
    > > > get
    > > > > > > found and fixed instead of sitting on the solution until there
    is
    > a
    > > > > large
    > > > > > > enough amount to issue a SP. I know you run the chance of
    > something
    > > > else
    > > > > > > "breaking" with a service pack but in my opinion it is worth the
    > > risk.
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > "Purge" wrote in message
    > > > > > > news:2B9062CFA565EE6E980AF0D677C5E751@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > > > > > > But how many SP's do they need to have the product be stable?
    A
    > > lot.
    > > > I
    > > > > > > > personally have not seen any Autodesk SP's go pass 4.
    Correctly
    > me
    > > > if
    > > > > I
    > > > > > am
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    > >
    >
    >


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    *Dotson, Sean

    Re:

    11-06-2002 03:51 AM in reply to: *Laimer, Leo
    Dave I'm not sure why you are being so combative with me lately but I'm
    going to do something I normally don't and let this one die. It's really
    not worth arguing about.

    (and don't take this a victory on your part, I don't think I proved your
    point at all)

    --
    Sean Dotson, PE
    http://www.sdotson.com
    ...sleep is for the weak..
    -----------------------------------------
    "David Radlin" wrote in message
    news:FD7FFAF35EF7ACA9476172B606D2D5EA@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > Thanks for proving my point...
    >
    > Dave
    >
    > "Sean Dotson" wrote in message
    > news:35DFEA2B4214DE060D621617F900FE8A@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > actually no...
    > >
    > > fal·la·cy Pronunciation Key (fl-s)
    > > n. pl. fal·la·cies
    > > 1.. A false notion.
    > > 2.. A statement or an argument based on a false or invalid inference.
    > > 3.. Incorrectness of reasoning or belief; erroneousness.
    > >
    > >
    > > --
    > > Sean Dotson, PE
    > > http://www.sdotson.com
    > > ...sleep is for the weak..
    > > -----------------------------------------
    > > "David Radlin" wrote in message
    > > news:84D28EA9E8FE2FDF3FF9053822547A4B@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > > "Exaggeration for effect..." - a fallacy none the less.
    > > >
    > > > Dave
    > > >
    > > > "Sean Dotson" wrote in message
    > > > news:B4D8DAFCC62FAD9CC99AE9F8B88A3A37@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > > > This is not a red herring Dave. Exaggeration for effect possibly
    but
    > > not
    > > > a
    > > > > red herring.
    > > > >
    > > > > Red Herring: a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in
    > > order
    > > > to
    > > > > divert attention from the original issue.
    > > > >
    > > > > I was addressing a point in his argument. In my opinion it is not
    > > > > acceptable for a SP to fix one issue and break another. I don't see
    > how
    > > > > that's irrelevant.
    > > > >
    > > > > The march must be forward only. If that means only 1 or 2 big SPs
    > then
    > > so
    > > > > be it. These are my opinions. If you disagree that is your right.
    > > > However
    > > > > I'd get my fallacies straight before casting stones.
    > > > >
    > > > > --
    > > > > Sean Dotson, PE
    > > > > http://www.sdotson.com
    > > > > ...sleep is for the weak..
    > > > > -----------------------------------------
    > > > > "David Radlin" wrote in message
    > > > > news:smileyvery-happy:A453CFF836743B49944CFEC1122BA34@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > > > > Red herring....
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Dave
    > > > > >
    > > > > > "Sean Dotson" wrote in message
    > > > > > news:276099780228E9E429B74EBB0669B595@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > > > > > "I know you run the chance of something else "breaking" with a
    > > service
    > > > > > pack
    > > > > > > but in my opinion it is worth the risk."
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > So in your opinion it would be "worth the risk" to get a SP to
    fix
    > > the
    > > > > > Excel
    > > > > > > Linking Issue (for example) even if parametrics stopped working
    > all
    > > > > > > together? I don't think this would be a very popular view.
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > --
    > > > > > > Sean Dotson, PE
    > > > > > > http://www.sdotson.com
    > > > > > > ...sleep is for the weak..
    > > > > > > -----------------------------------------
    > > > > > > "Eric Zirkle" <@> wrote in message
    > > > > > > news:4CAB2AFACE45D233893ED3245ED10D25@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > > > > > > What's the difference between 15 small service packs and 2 or
    3
    > > > large
    > > > > > > > service packs. The difference is they release them as the
    > > problems
    > > > > get
    > > > > > > > found and fixed instead of sitting on the solution until there
    > is
    > > a
    > > > > > large
    > > > > > > > enough amount to issue a SP. I know you run the chance of
    > > something
    > > > > else
    > > > > > > > "breaking" with a service pack but in my opinion it is worth
    the
    > > > risk.
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > "Purge" wrote in message
    > > > > > > > news:2B9062CFA565EE6E980AF0D677C5E751@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > > > > > > > But how many SP's do they need to have the product be
    stable?
    > A
    > > > lot.
    > > > > I
    > > > > > > > > personally have not seen any Autodesk SP's go pass 4.
    > Correctly
    > > me
    > > > > if
    > > > > > I
    > > > > > > am
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > >
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    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
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    *Zirkle, Eric

    Re:

    11-06-2002 03:53 AM in reply to: *Laimer, Leo
    My thinking is there is there would be a SMALL risk in the SP causing
    problems. Yes, I would be willing to take a SMALL risk to get some of my
    problems fixed sooner.

    "Sean Dotson" wrote in message
    news:276099780228E9E429B74EBB0669B595@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > "I know you run the chance of something else "breaking" with a service
    pack
    > but in my opinion it is worth the risk."
    >
    > So in your opinion it would be "worth the risk" to get a SP to fix the
    Excel
    > Linking Issue (for example) even if parametrics stopped working all
    > together? I don't think this would be a very popular view.
    >
    > --
    > Sean Dotson, PE
    > http://www.sdotson.com
    > ...sleep is for the weak..
    > -----------------------------------------
    > "Eric Zirkle" <@> wrote in message
    > news:4CAB2AFACE45D233893ED3245ED10D25@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > What's the difference between 15 small service packs and 2 or 3 large
    > > service packs. The difference is they release them as the problems get
    > > found and fixed instead of sitting on the solution until there is a
    large
    > > enough amount to issue a SP. I know you run the chance of something else
    > > "breaking" with a service pack but in my opinion it is worth the risk.
    > >
    > > "Purge" wrote in message
    > > news:2B9062CFA565EE6E980AF0D677C5E751@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > > But how many SP's do they need to have the product be stable? A lot. I
    > > > personally have not seen any Autodesk SP's go pass 4. Correctly me if
    I
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    *Radlin, David

    Re:

    11-06-2002 03:54 AM in reply to: *Laimer, Leo
    Just having fun with you Sean, don't take it personally... that would be a
    shame (vbg).

    Dave

    "Sean Dotson" wrote in message
    news:07F119829832E2B869C1FE5B49DEF5A3@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > Dave I'm not sure why you are being so combative with me lately but I'm
    > going to do something I normally don't and let this one die. It's really
    > not worth arguing about.
    >
    > (and don't take this a victory on your part, I don't think I proved your
    > point at all)
    >
    > --
    > Sean Dotson, PE
    > http://www.sdotson.com
    > ...sleep is for the weak..
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    > "David Radlin" wrote in message
    > news:FD7FFAF35EF7ACA9476172B606D2D5EA@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > Thanks for proving my point...
    > >
    > > Dave
    > >
    > > "Sean Dotson" wrote in message
    > > news:35DFEA2B4214DE060D621617F900FE8A@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > > actually no...
    > > >
    > > > fal·la·cy Pronunciation Key (fl-s)
    > > > n. pl. fal·la·cies
    > > > 1.. A false notion.
    > > > 2.. A statement or an argument based on a false or invalid
    inference.
    > > > 3.. Incorrectness of reasoning or belief; erroneousness.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > > Sean Dotson, PE
    > > > http://www.sdotson.com
    > > > ...sleep is for the weak..
    > > > -----------------------------------------
    > > > "David Radlin" wrote in message
    > > > news:84D28EA9E8FE2FDF3FF9053822547A4B@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > > > "Exaggeration for effect..." - a fallacy none the less.
    > > > >
    > > > > Dave
    > > > >
    > > > > "Sean Dotson" wrote in message
    > > > > news:B4D8DAFCC62FAD9CC99AE9F8B88A3A37@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > > > > This is not a red herring Dave. Exaggeration for effect possibly
    > but
    > > > not
    > > > > a
    > > > > > red herring.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Red Herring: a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented
    in
    > > > order
    > > > > to
    > > > > > divert attention from the original issue.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > I was addressing a point in his argument. In my opinion it is not
    > > > > > acceptable for a SP to fix one issue and break another. I don't
    see
    > > how
    > > > > > that's irrelevant.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > The march must be forward only. If that means only 1 or 2 big SPs
    > > then
    > > > so
    > > > > > be it. These are my opinions. If you disagree that is your
    right.
    > > > > However
    > > > > > I'd get my fallacies straight before casting stones.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > --
    > > > > > Sean Dotson, PE
    > > > > > http://www.sdotson.com
    > > > > > ...sleep is for the weak..
    > > > > > -----------------------------------------
    > > > > > "David Radlin" wrote in message
    > > > > > news:smileyvery-happy:A453CFF836743B49944CFEC1122BA34@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > > > > > Red herring....
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > Dave
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > "Sean Dotson" wrote in message
    > > > > > > news:276099780228E9E429B74EBB0669B595@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > > > > > > "I know you run the chance of something else "breaking" with a
    > > > service
    > > > > > > pack
    > > > > > > > but in my opinion it is worth the risk."
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > So in your opinion it would be "worth the risk" to get a SP to
    > fix
    > > > the
    > > > > > > Excel
    > > > > > > > Linking Issue (for example) even if parametrics stopped
    working
    > > all
    > > > > > > > together? I don't think this would be a very popular view.
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > --
    > > > > > > > Sean Dotson, PE
    > > > > > > > http://www.sdotson.com
    > > > > > > > ...sleep is for the weak..
    > > > > > > > -----------------------------------------
    > > > > > > > "Eric Zirkle" <@> wrote in message
    > > > > > > > news:4CAB2AFACE45D233893ED3245ED10D25@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > > > > > > > What's the difference between 15 small service packs and 2
    or
    > 3
    > > > > large
    > > > > > > > > service packs. The difference is they release them as the
    > > > problems
    > > > > > get
    > > > > > > > > found and fixed instead of sitting on the solution until
    there
    > > is
    > > > a
    > > > > > > large
    > > > > > > > > enough amount to issue a SP. I know you run the chance of
    > > > something
    > > > > > else
    > > > > > > > > "breaking" with a service pack but in my opinion it is worth
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    > > > > > > > > "Purge" wrote in message
    > > > > > > > > news:2B9062CFA565EE6E980AF0D677C5E751@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > > > > > > > > But how many SP's do they need to have the product be
    > stable?
    > > A
    > > > > lot.
    > > > > > I
    > > > > > > > > > personally have not seen any Autodesk SP's go pass 4.
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