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    *Laimer, Leo

    Adesk and the Competition

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    11-05-2002 08:38 PM
    Group,
    Most of you know the name of Adesk's strongest competitor, and that they
    were releasing their 2003 version recently.
    I'm randomly monitoring their NG and there is a big flame going on about the
    numerous bugs and instabilities of the new package. Although the wording is
    a bit more rude over there, the common sense is the same as here: The new
    release is inmature, and not good for productive use before the first
    servicepacks.
    It is obvious that the competitive race for being the first to release the
    newest version in both companies leads to serious quality issues
    In both NG more and more users are demanding better stability and quality of
    the package, over a faster release cycle.

    So I, too, put my vote here for this demand, and ask all of you to do the
    same.

    Maybe Adesk is listening.

    Regards,
    --
    Leo Laimer
    Maschinen- und Fertigungstechnik
    A-4820 Bad Ischl - Austria
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    *Zirkle, Eric

    Re: Adesk and the Competition

    11-05-2002 10:19 PM in reply to: *Laimer, Leo
    But they will have a couple of service packs to fix their problems by the
    time we get our first.

    "Leo Laimer" wrote in message
    news:BDE3CBBA6D5546C5CC028C906CF5831F@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > Group,
    > Most of you know the name of Adesk's strongest competitor, and that they
    > were releasing their 2003 version recently.
    > I'm randomly monitoring their NG and there is a big flame going on about
    the
    > numerous bugs and instabilities of the new package. Although the wording
    is
    > a bit more rude over there, the common sense is the same as here: The new
    > release is inmature, and not good for productive use before the first
    > servicepacks.
    > It is obvious that the competitive race for being the first to release the
    > newest version in both companies leads to serious quality issues
    > In both NG more and more users are demanding better stability and quality
    of
    > the package, over a faster release cycle.
    >
    > So I, too, put my vote here for this demand, and ask all of you to do the
    > same.
    >
    > Maybe Adesk is listening.
    >
    > Regards,
    > --
    > Leo Laimer
    > Maschinen- und Fertigungstechnik
    > A-4820 Bad Ischl - Austria
    >
    >
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    *Purge

    Re:

    11-05-2002 10:31 PM in reply to: *Laimer, Leo
    But how many SP's do they need to have the product be stable? A lot. I
    personally have not seen any Autodesk SP's go pass 4. Correctly me if I am
    wrong.

    I do agree that it should be more stable when it is released.

    "Eric Zirkle" <@> wrote in message
    news:A5703A6EB18457EE1D6A4C97D14F49EB@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > But they will have a couple of service packs to fix their problems by the
    > time we get our first.
    >
    > "Leo Laimer" wrote in message
    > news:BDE3CBBA6D5546C5CC028C906CF5831F@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > Group,
    > > Most of you know the name of Adesk's strongest competitor, and that they
    > > were releasing their 2003 version recently.
    > > I'm randomly monitoring their NG and there is a big flame going on about
    > the
    > > numerous bugs and instabilities of the new package. Although the wording
    > is
    > > a bit more rude over there, the common sense is the same as here: The
    new
    > > release is inmature, and not good for productive use before the first
    > > servicepacks.
    > > It is obvious that the competitive race for being the first to release
    the
    > > newest version in both companies leads to serious quality issues
    > > In both NG more and more users are demanding better stability and
    quality
    > of
    > > the package, over a faster release cycle.
    > >
    > > So I, too, put my vote here for this demand, and ask all of you to do
    the
    > > same.
    > >
    > > Maybe Adesk is listening.
    > >
    > > Regards,
    > > --
    > > Leo Laimer
    > > Maschinen- und Fertigungstechnik
    > > A-4820 Bad Ischl - Austria
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
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    Valued Contributor
    Posts: 61
    Registered: ‎07-25-2003

    Re:

    11-05-2002 11:01 PM in reply to: *Laimer, Leo
    Theoreticly, you should need as few service packs as possible. Ideally, none. I'd rather have a company put out one stable SP then 5 of them that address one or two issues each until at SP6 it's FINALLY stable.
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    *Radlin, David

    Re:

    11-05-2002 11:07 PM in reply to: *Laimer, Leo
    Its the content of the SP... they get many small ones and we get few big
    ones.

    I'm thinking many small ones would be better so we can get the fixes quicker
    rather than waiting for 600 fixes.

    Dave

    "Purge" wrote in message
    news:2B9062CFA565EE6E980AF0D677C5E751@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > But how many SP's do they need to have the product be stable? A lot. I
    > personally have not seen any Autodesk SP's go pass 4. Correctly me if I am
    > wrong.
    >
    > I do agree that it should be more stable when it is released.
    >
    > "Eric Zirkle" <@> wrote in message
    > news:A5703A6EB18457EE1D6A4C97D14F49EB@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > But they will have a couple of service packs to fix their problems by
    the
    > > time we get our first.
    > >
    > > "Leo Laimer" wrote in message
    > > news:BDE3CBBA6D5546C5CC028C906CF5831F@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > > Group,
    > > > Most of you know the name of Adesk's strongest competitor, and that
    they
    > > > were releasing their 2003 version recently.
    > > > I'm randomly monitoring their NG and there is a big flame going on
    about
    > > the
    > > > numerous bugs and instabilities of the new package. Although the
    wording
    > > is
    > > > a bit more rude over there, the common sense is the same as here: The
    > new
    > > > release is inmature, and not good for productive use before the first
    > > > servicepacks.
    > > > It is obvious that the competitive race for being the first to release
    > the
    > > > newest version in both companies leads to serious quality issues
    > > > In both NG more and more users are demanding better stability and
    > quality
    > > of
    > > > the package, over a faster release cycle.
    > > >
    > > > So I, too, put my vote here for this demand, and ask all of you to do
    > the
    > > > same.
    > > >
    > > > Maybe Adesk is listening.
    > > >
    > > > Regards,
    > > > --
    > > > Leo Laimer
    > > > Maschinen- und Fertigungstechnik
    > > > A-4820 Bad Ischl - Austria
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
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    Valued Contributor
    Posts: 61
    Registered: ‎07-25-2003

    Re:

    11-05-2002 11:16 PM in reply to: *Laimer, Leo
    I guess it's all a matter of preference. I liked the fact that 5.3 only had only 2 SP's, and I could see a good change in each. I would think that if I got more SP's that didn't address everything, I would be upset that they didn't fix this or that.
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    *A., Kirk

    Re:

    11-05-2002 11:16 PM in reply to: *Laimer, Leo
    "I'm thinking many small ones would be better so we can get the fixes
    quicker rather than waiting for 600 fixes."

    I agree


    "David Radlin" wrote in message
    news:0F5388E70A9813FD9F3959CDDA67A179@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > Its the content of the SP... they get many small ones and we get few big
    > ones.
    >
    > I'm thinking many small ones would be better so we can get the fixes
    quicker
    > rather than waiting for 600 fixes.
    >
    > Dave
    >
    > "Purge" wrote in message
    > news:2B9062CFA565EE6E980AF0D677C5E751@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > But how many SP's do they need to have the product be stable? A lot. I
    > > personally have not seen any Autodesk SP's go pass 4. Correctly me if I
    am
    > > wrong.
    > >
    > > I do agree that it should be more stable when it is released.
    > >
    > > "Eric Zirkle" <@> wrote in message
    > > news:A5703A6EB18457EE1D6A4C97D14F49EB@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > > But they will have a couple of service packs to fix their problems by
    > the
    > > > time we get our first.
    > > >
    > > > "Leo Laimer" wrote in message
    > > > news:BDE3CBBA6D5546C5CC028C906CF5831F@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > > > Group,
    > > > > Most of you know the name of Adesk's strongest competitor, and that
    > they
    > > > > were releasing their 2003 version recently.
    > > > > I'm randomly monitoring their NG and there is a big flame going on
    > about
    > > > the
    > > > > numerous bugs and instabilities of the new package. Although the
    > wording
    > > > is
    > > > > a bit more rude over there, the common sense is the same as here:
    The
    > > new
    > > > > release is inmature, and not good for productive use before the
    first
    > > > > servicepacks.
    > > > > It is obvious that the competitive race for being the first to
    release
    > > the
    > > > > newest version in both companies leads to serious quality issues
    > > > > In both NG more and more users are demanding better stability and
    > > quality
    > > > of
    > > > > the package, over a faster release cycle.
    > > > >
    > > > > So I, too, put my vote here for this demand, and ask all of you to
    do
    > > the
    > > > > same.
    > > > >
    > > > > Maybe Adesk is listening.
    > > > >
    > > > > Regards,
    > > > > --
    > > > > Leo Laimer
    > > > > Maschinen- und Fertigungstechnik
    > > > > A-4820 Bad Ischl - Austria
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
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    *Dotson, Sean

    Re:

    11-05-2002 11:21 PM in reply to: *Laimer, Leo
    I tend to agree on in most cases but sometimes one fix will break something
    that already worked. Sometimes it's best to lump several into one SP and
    make sure they don't conflict with each other. As for R6 I think it is
    necessary to make all of these fixes at once rather than dole them out bit
    by bit...for then Autodesk would be accused of providing dribbleware..
    (http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/D/dribbleware.html)

    --
    Sean Dotson, PE
    http://www.sdotson.com
    remove all #s from email
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    "Kirk A." wrote in message
    news:1F780271AE03834782C089445E45E269@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > "I'm thinking many small ones would be better so we can get the fixes
    > quicker rather than waiting for 600 fixes."
    >
    > I agree
    >
    >
    > "David Radlin" wrote in message
    > news:0F5388E70A9813FD9F3959CDDA67A179@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > Its the content of the SP... they get many small ones and we get few big
    > > ones.
    > >
    > > I'm thinking many small ones would be better so we can get the fixes
    > quicker
    > > rather than waiting for 600 fixes.
    > >
    > > Dave
    > >
    > > "Purge" wrote in message
    > > news:2B9062CFA565EE6E980AF0D677C5E751@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > > But how many SP's do they need to have the product be stable? A lot. I
    > > > personally have not seen any Autodesk SP's go pass 4. Correctly me if
    I
    > am
    > > > wrong.
    > > >
    > > > I do agree that it should be more stable when it is released.
    > > >
    > > > "Eric Zirkle" <@> wrote in message
    > > > news:A5703A6EB18457EE1D6A4C97D14F49EB@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > > > But they will have a couple of service packs to fix their problems
    by
    > > the
    > > > > time we get our first.
    > > > >
    > > > > "Leo Laimer" wrote in message
    > > > > news:BDE3CBBA6D5546C5CC028C906CF5831F@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > > > > Group,
    > > > > > Most of you know the name of Adesk's strongest competitor, and
    that
    > > they
    > > > > > were releasing their 2003 version recently.
    > > > > > I'm randomly monitoring their NG and there is a big flame going on
    > > about
    > > > > the
    > > > > > numerous bugs and instabilities of the new package. Although the
    > > wording
    > > > > is
    > > > > > a bit more rude over there, the common sense is the same as here:
    > The
    > > > new
    > > > > > release is inmature, and not good for productive use before the
    > first
    > > > > > servicepacks.
    > > > > > It is obvious that the competitive race for being the first to
    > release
    > > > the
    > > > > > newest version in both companies leads to serious quality issues
    > > > > > In both NG more and more users are demanding better stability and
    > > > quality
    > > > > of
    > > > > > the package, over a faster release cycle.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > So I, too, put my vote here for this demand, and ask all of you to
    > do
    > > > the
    > > > > > same.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Maybe Adesk is listening.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Regards,
    > > > > > --
    > > > > > Leo Laimer
    > > > > > Maschinen- und Fertigungstechnik
    > > > > > A-4820 Bad Ischl - Austria
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
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    *Purge

    Re:

    11-05-2002 11:25 PM in reply to: *Laimer, Leo
    I guess it all user preferences. I prefer one big one because if I have to
    reinstall and we all know we have to do that once in a while, I would rather
    do 1 or 2 SP's than 4 or 5. Or even when installing the program on multipe
    pc. User perference.

    "David Radlin" wrote in message
    news:0F5388E70A9813FD9F3959CDDA67A179@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > Its the content of the SP... they get many small ones and we get few big
    > ones.
    >
    > I'm thinking many small ones would be better so we can get the fixes
    quicker
    > rather than waiting for 600 fixes.
    >
    > Dave
    >
    > "Purge" wrote in message
    > news:2B9062CFA565EE6E980AF0D677C5E751@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > But how many SP's do they need to have the product be stable? A lot. I
    > > personally have not seen any Autodesk SP's go pass 4. Correctly me if I
    am
    > > wrong.
    > >
    > > I do agree that it should be more stable when it is released.
    > >
    > > "Eric Zirkle" <@> wrote in message
    > > news:A5703A6EB18457EE1D6A4C97D14F49EB@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > > But they will have a couple of service packs to fix their problems by
    > the
    > > > time we get our first.
    > > >
    > > > "Leo Laimer" wrote in message
    > > > news:BDE3CBBA6D5546C5CC028C906CF5831F@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
    > > > > Group,
    > > > > Most of you know the name of Adesk's strongest competitor, and that
    > they
    > > > > were releasing their 2003 version recently.
    > > > > I'm randomly monitoring their NG and there is a big flame going on
    > about
    > > > the
    > > > > numerous bugs and instabilities of the new package. Although the
    > wording
    > > > is
    > > > > a bit more rude over there, the common sense is the same as here:
    The
    > > new
    > > > > release is inmature, and not good for productive use before the
    first
    > > > > servicepacks.
    > > > > It is obvious that the competitive race for being the first to
    release
    > > the
    > > > > newest version in both companies leads to serious quality issues
    > > > > In both NG more and more users are demanding better stability and
    > > quality
    > > > of
    > > > > the package, over a faster release cycle.
    > > > >
    > > > > So I, too, put my vote here for this demand, and ask all of you to
    do
    > > the
    > > > > same.
    > > > >
    > > > > Maybe Adesk is listening.
    > > > >
    > > > > Regards,
    > > > > --
    > > > > Leo Laimer
    > > > > Maschinen- und Fertigungstechnik
    > > > > A-4820 Bad Ischl - Austria
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
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    Distinguished Contributor
    Posts: 578
    Registered: ‎08-03-2003

    Re:

    11-05-2002 11:26 PM in reply to: *Laimer, Leo
    We should also give them time to test the SP's.
    Solidworks apperantly do not take time to test all the small sp's good enough.
    I think quality control is easier/better with big SP's.
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