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master ADT 2004 to get into a big size firm?

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Anonymous
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master ADT 2004 to get into a big size firm?

Do you think master ADT 2004 will help me to get into a medium to large size firm( say 50+ to 500)? Any serious thoughts please. Thank you very much for your cooperation.
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Anonymous
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Er, what are you coming to the table with? Mastering ADT won't get you hired, but it does help. It's not always necessary to have the system down, as I can testify to. I learned the basics of AutoCAD in high school, went to work in college for firms that used Datacad, we switched to AutoCAD, then came ADT, and now I'm in a firm that uses Versacad (still use ADT for my was-full-time-now-side business). Each time I'd have to re-learn, sometimes not knowing anything about a CADD system when I arrived (like where I'm at currently). If you're just looking for pluses to add to your resume, then mastering ADT can help, but it's not necessary. I think anyone hiring knows there will be some training, even if the hiree is a master of their particular CADD system. There's still the company way of doing things to get used to and all. If you're that interested in a firm, find out what they're using. -- Joshua Tapp TAPP Design "edward" wrote in message news:407f1f64$1_2@newsprd01... > Do you think master ADT 2004 will help me to get into a medium to large size > firm( say 50+ to 500)? > > Any serious thoughts please. > > Thank you very much for your cooperation.
Message 3 of 14
Anonymous
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Joshua: Thanks for your info. I originally thought this thread will bring me alot of assults since it looks like I am an entry level idiot. I began to feel the power of ADT these days and I saw the big name firm is using it. Another reason is that this tool is not easy to master in terms of time concerning in the beginning of the project. "Joshua Tapp" wrote in message news:407f2e5e$1_2@newsprd01... > Er, what are you coming to the table with? Mastering ADT won't get you > hired, but it does help. It's not always necessary to have the system down, > as I can testify to. > > I learned the basics of AutoCAD in high school, went to work in college for > firms that used Datacad, we switched to AutoCAD, then came ADT, and now I'm > in a firm that uses Versacad (still use ADT for my was-full-time-now-side > business). Each time I'd have to re-learn, sometimes not knowing anything > about a CADD system when I arrived (like where I'm at currently). > > If you're just looking for pluses to add to your resume, then mastering ADT > can help, but it's not necessary. I think anyone hiring knows there will be > some training, even if the hiree is a master of their particular CADD > system. There's still the company way of doing things to get used to and > all. > > If you're that interested in a firm, find out what they're using. > > -- > Joshua Tapp > TAPP Design > "edward" wrote in message news:407f1f64$1_2@newsprd01... > > Do you think master ADT 2004 will help me to get into a medium to large > size > > firm( say 50+ to 500)? > > > > Any serious thoughts please. > > > > Thank you very much for your cooperation. > >
Message 4 of 14
a.c.childress
in reply to: Anonymous

Usually the only ones who get assaulted are those who ask for it. Yours was a good question. I've never worked for a large firm but I think pretty much the same thing goes for a small firm. Get a good education / experience in your chosen field. Read as much as you can about the subject. Get some management courses unless you want to be a draftsman all your life. Now maybe most important - find out what you have that will make you stand out in a good way. You want the interviewer to notice you and remember you. Make the other applicants take the job away from you. Now go and practice your interview skills.
Message 5 of 14
KenWood
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Here is some helpful hints from a CAD Manager. Draw to 1=1 make sure everything is on the right layer. Make sure everything is drawn right like if you draw a wall make sure it connects to something and not just EYEBALLING! LEARN learn to use XREF'S correct. Take an extra class here and there. When we receive drawing here from other companies I lose a day or to cleaning up files and when I call the companies they all say pretty much the same "We dont do that". Sounds like one of my kids. Just learn all you can. I think you can buy a student version of AutoCAD really cheap get one and put it on your home computer and tear into it.

GOOD LUCK
KenWood
Message 6 of 14
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Assaulted? Not for a good question. Most of those (speaking for this ADT group) completely understand your starting position as we have all been there before. I think you will find most are very receptive and helpful to those that are asking legitimate questions. In regard to your question "Mastering ADT" is a good resource but many companies might not have implemented that strategy so it may be meaningless to some but exceptional to others. Regardless it cannot hurt at all but try to think broadly b/c different thoughts or process will work differently for each discipline you might interview with. Best Wishes, Jeff
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Anonymous
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When constantly subjected to scrutiny regarding the quality of my work -- as it should be -- I have always wondered why principles would continue to accept shoddy drawings from other companies? I've never been able to resolve this hypocrisy from architectural principles especially when there are so many service providers from which to choose to work with in any given regional market. -- <%= Clinton Gallagher A/E/C Consulting, Web Design, e-Commerce Software Development Wauwatosa, Milwaukee County, Wisconsin USA NET csgallagher@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.com URL http://www.metromilwaukee.com/clintongallagher/ "KenWood" wrote in message news:26794480.1082123470389.JavaMail.jive@jiveforum2... > Here is some helpful hints from a CAD Manager. Draw to 1=1 make sure everything is on the right layer. Make sure everything is drawn right like if you draw a wall make sure it connects to something and not just EYEBALLING! LEARN learn to use XREF'S correct. Take an extra class here and there. When we receive drawing here from other companies I lose a day or to cleaning up files and when I call the companies they all say pretty much the same "We dont do that". Sounds like one of my kids. Just learn all you can. I think you can buy a student version of AutoCAD really cheap get one and put it on your home computer and tear into it. > > GOOD LUCK > KenWood
Message 8 of 14
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Whats the allure in a large firm? You might find more freedom and challenges in a progressive small firm.
Message 9 of 14
KenWood
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Larger Firms sometimes they have dress codes and their pay sucks. I have worked in alot of companies BIG and small. I prefer the smaller companies because of the family feeling. And most of the time they pay better because they want their company to have a great reputation. I just go nuts win I have to spend more than 15mins per drawing that we received just to clean them up to be able to use for our backgrounds. I have all my cad people come over and look a the crap we just got, and tell them I DO NOT WANT OUR FILES GOING OUT LIKE THIS. In a smaller company you have a better control over the "Standards Issue" (HA, I said the S word).
GOOD LUCK

KenWood
Message 10 of 14
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

It all depends! You can be the master of all masters at using a program but if you do not understand what you are drawing such as details and other stuff you will still end up being a "young Daniel son" You need a mix of the 2 which is important, which basically you get from maybe some schooling but more from experience if you are wanting a drafting job. About standards........each company has there own. So you will have to learn that. It also comes down to if it is a Mech./elec, arch, structural firm on what they do. Just because someone thinks a wall should be called "a-wall" does not mean a mech firm doesn't want it just called "building" It all comes down to what works for your firm. We have that problem all the time. You get lights on different layers then what you want. But you will have that unless you do everything in house. If everyone used the same layering and standards the world would be to easy. You do need to follow "Basic" drafting standards. About how lines should read, dimensioning, noting, sheet layouts. Your layers should also be easy for someone to figure out. If you name walls layer "1-a" that makes it hard then "wall" You shouldn't have to send a 4 page list of your layers and what the meanings are. But hey this is a free world and ones opinion on what is best or the easiest way is never going to be someone else's!!! "KenWood" wrote in message news:12118267.1082381305298.JavaMail.jive@jiveforum2.autodesk.com... > Larger Firms sometimes they have dress codes and their pay sucks. I have worked in alot of companies BIG and small. I prefer the smaller companies because of the family feeling. And most of the time they pay better because they want their company to have a great reputation. I just go nuts win I have to spend more than 15mins per drawing that we received just to clean them up to be able to use for our backgrounds. I have all my cad people come over and look a the crap we just got, and tell them I DO NOT WANT OUR FILES GOING OUT LIKE THIS. In a smaller company you have a better control over the "Standards Issue" (HA, I said the S word). > GOOD LUCK > > KenWood
Message 11 of 14
a.c.childress
in reply to: Anonymous

One man's standards are another man's CRAP.
Message 12 of 14
KenWood
in reply to: Anonymous

You definitely have to follow your companies standards, I freak out every time you go to a new company and you do there standard way of cad. They hire someone new from another company and they are using their blocks from that old company that is when I start breaking fingers. What I have to clean up on the Arch's drawing are the BASIC CAD stuff you know like using endpoint, intersections, center and mid. Instead they leave line hanging out there in space. Oh here is a good one they don't draw to scale or it will be drawn at say a door is 36" they draw it at 3". I got one saying that AIRBORNE uses. "Killem all let GOD sortem out"

KenWood
Message 13 of 14
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

WOW.....what kind of clowns are you working with for consultants? we never had something that bad. Yes the sometimes floating lines that they never new the z was off 2000' and the one you stated about lines not meeting. That is just bad drafting! "KenWood" wrote in message news:28222071.1082393662914.JavaMail.jive@jiveforum1.autodesk.com... > You definitely have to follow your companies standards, I freak out every time you go to a new company and you do there standard way of cad. They hire someone new from another company and they are using their blocks from that old company that is when I start breaking fingers. What I have to clean up on the Arch's drawing are the BASIC CAD stuff you know like using endpoint, intersections, center and mid. Instead they leave line hanging out there in space. Oh here is a good one they don't draw to scale or it will be drawn at say a door is 36" they draw it at 3". I got one saying that AIRBORNE uses. "Killem all let GOD sortem out" > > KenWood
Message 14 of 14
KenWood
in reply to: Anonymous

Oh that is nothing, You are working on a Casino for a year or 2 and you get new backgrounds, first they change the dwg's name and they moved some of the backgrounds 387'6" up and to the right around 1000' and don't say anything. Every day keeps me thinking. And the thoughts are EVIL!!!!

KenWood

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