Wall & column clean up's across xref's

[Anonymous]

Hi Everyone,

I ran into a snag on a project and I was hoping someone would have a good
answer for me. I'm using project navigator and I have the column grid and
units as constructs and elements and when I create a view of the plan all
the necessary xrefs show up fine. I have instances however where a wall runs
over the top of a column. If the column and the wall were in the same
drawing I could do an interference condition or even a masking block, but
neither of those options seem work across xref's. Does anyone have a work
around for cleaning up columns and walls that are on different xref's? I'm
hoping this can be done without dumping the unit plans and column grid
xrefs?

Little project background- it is an existing building that is being
converted to condos, most of the units are repeated so I made them xref's in
navigator, the columns tend to change size and location on different floors
(old building with different additions over the years) so I have separate
column grids for each floor. Without the xrefs I would basically have to
draw each floor as a view an not use the unit xref which would be a bummer.

thanks

-k

[Anonymous]

Yes, somebody please help. This is also a very big issue for me. For my
purposes, i need to have my column (which is a structural member consisting
of a post and a pad footing) clean up with my foundation wall (which has
multiple components - Curb, Stem, Footing, etc.). I also need to be able to
cut my curb in the garage for the garage doors and man-door. This is
actually more important, because these rough openings need to be dimensioned
on the foundation plan so the concrete contractor gets it right. Prior to
Project Navigator, I handled this by using Interference Condition on my
foundation walls. (Column styles are preset and need no modification, but
my garage doors have a threshold height of -6") Now my workaround is to put
mass elements in my foundation construct to represent my garage doors, but
this is anything but ideal, since if my doors change, I have to remember to
go into my foundation construct and change those mass elements. Very bad
setup, since the odds are high that the change won't get caught until it's
too late as we have multiple drafters here. For now, I'm living with not
having my columns clean up with my walls, but would like to see this change
because I take pride in my work and this looks terrible.


"Ken C" wrote in message
news:4849316@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hi Everyone,

I ran into a snag on a project and I was hoping someone would have a good
answer for me. I'm using project navigator and I have the column grid and
units as constructs and elements and when I create a view of the plan all
the necessary xrefs show up fine. I have instances however where a wall runs
over the top of a column. If the column and the wall were in the same
drawing I could do an interference condition or even a masking block, but
neither of those options seem work across xref's. Does anyone have a work
around for cleaning up columns and walls that are on different xref's? I'm
hoping this can be done without dumping the unit plans and column grid
xrefs?

Little project background- it is an existing building that is being
converted to condos, most of the units are repeated so I made them xref's in
navigator, the columns tend to change size and location on different floors
(old building with different additions over the years) so I have separate
column grids for each floor. Without the xrefs I would basically have to
draw each floor as a view an not use the unit xref which would be a bummer.

thanks

-k

[Anonymous]

I think that Column and wall aren't going to clean up across xrefs but
someone else may know.
Here is a "bizarre" thought: in the column grid element file, make the
columns short, fat, walls.
Use a style with a lower Priority number than the walls that will pass
through them. and change the layer to A-Cols, or whatever.
Make sure that the cleanup groups are the same for the walls and "fake"
columns and that the endcap style allows for cleanups across xrefs.

This is strange enough that it actually might work! The only loss is the
ability to associate the columns to the grid, or for quick resizing.

--
Regards,
---------------
Reid M. Addis
Registered Architect
Architectural Applications Specialist
Granary Associates
411 North 20th Street
Philadelphia, PA 19130
Ph. 215-665-7056
email: addis@granaryassoc.com

[Anonymous]

This has been a bug which was reported in adt2004. They obviously haven't got around to fixing it. If you look at it in 3D, you will notice it works. You will also notice it doesn't work if the columns are in a block. You could try using mask block, but what a pain.

I wish autodesk would focus on fixing the many, many bugs in the software, rather than giving us 'new' features with more bugs. I wonder if autodesk are leaving the software like this to 'encourage' clients to move to revit.

[Anonymous]

Hi Reid,
I was going to start a new thread with this question, but I'll ask it here.
Why don't my walls cleanup when I bring them together into a view drawing?
In my cleanup group definition I have the box checked for the walls to clean
up between host & xref, but with a View drawing, there are no "host" walls.
With the solution you just proposed, you would have to xref the "column"
construct into the wall construct as an attachment (which means you cannot
just drag it from the palette) to get them to clean up, right? Am I doing
something wrong?

Here is a "bizarre" thought:
Create a parking stall layout by using a curtain wall.
hehehe
.-)

"Reid M. Addis" wrote in message
news:4849654@discussion.autodesk.com...
I think that Column and wall aren't going to clean up across xrefs but
someone else may know.
Here is a "bizarre" thought: in the column grid element file, make the
columns short, fat, walls.
Use a style with a lower Priority number than the walls that will pass
through them. and change the layer to A-Cols, or whatever.
Make sure that the cleanup groups are the same for the walls and "fake"
columns and that the endcap style allows for cleanups across xrefs.

This is strange enough that it actually might work! The only loss is the
ability to associate the columns to the grid, or for quick resizing.

--
Regards,
---------------
Reid M. Addis
Registered Architect
Architectural Applications Specialist
Granary Associates
411 North 20th Street
Philadelphia, PA 19130
Ph. 215-665-7056
email: addis@granaryassoc.com

[Anonymous]

I have simle solution...You have to create 2 component colomn , first with
solid hatch in 255 color and second with hatch which you want to represent
youre colomn material( if you dont want to hatch it then put only a solid )
After that create colomn greed with anchored colomn and put it to span all
construction.
When you make youre view simly put a colomn greed xref above youre walls and
,,, solid fil will hide a part of cleaned wall and your hatch will show a
material r.f.concret in colomn. I find that it's simplyes way to present a
colomn which clean-up a wall.
Goran

[Anonymous]

The column drawing would be an Element Drawing, I think, but even if a
Construct, you should be able to drag and drop from PN. If an Element, the
file is Attached. If a Construct, the file is Overlayed.

As for clean ups across xrefs, I'm not having any problems. See files in
Customer files NG: Cleanup A; Cleanup B; and Cleanup C. A and B go into C,
the host file
with no walls, and cleanup just fine.


--
Regards,
---------------
Reid M. Addis
Registered Architect
Architectural Applications Specialist
Granary Associates
411 North 20th Street
Philadelphia, PA 19130
Ph. 215-665-7056
email: addis@granaryassoc.com

[Anonymous]

Reid, can you re-post to cf? I don't see that in there...

This solution doesn't quite work for me, though, because I need to reference
my columns from the View drawing, not from the Construct drawing.


"Reid M. Addis" wrote in message
news:4850221@discussion.autodesk.com...
The column drawing would be an Element Drawing, I think, but even if a
Construct, you should be able to drag and drop from PN. If an Element, the
file is Attached. If a Construct, the file is Overlayed.

As for clean ups across xrefs, I'm not having any problems. See files in
Customer files NG: Cleanup A; Cleanup B; and Cleanup C. A and B go into C,
the host file
with no walls, and cleanup just fine.


--
Regards,
---------------
Reid M. Addis
Registered Architect
Architectural Applications Specialist
Granary Associates
411 North 20th Street
Philadelphia, PA 19130
Ph. 215-665-7056
email: addis@granaryassoc.com

[eviele]

....very clever.

[Anonymous]

Hi Reid,

I have tried this before and it works if the column is rectangular, but
unfortunatly this particular job has round colums and I don't know of a way
to make a short wall segment round.

-k
"Reid M. Addis" wrote in message
news:4849654@discussion.autodesk.com...
I think that Column and wall aren't going to clean up across xrefs but
someone else may know.
Here is a "bizarre" thought: in the column grid element file, make the
columns short, fat, walls.
Use a style with a lower Priority number than the walls that will pass
through them. and change the layer to A-Cols, or whatever.
Make sure that the cleanup groups are the same for the walls and "fake"
columns and that the endcap style allows for cleanups across xrefs.

This is strange enough that it actually might work! The only loss is the
ability to associate the columns to the grid, or for quick resizing.

--
Regards,
---------------
Reid M. Addis
Registered Architect
Architectural Applications Specialist
Granary Associates
411 North 20th Street
Philadelphia, PA 19130
Ph. 215-665-7056
email: addis@granaryassoc.com