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"betazero" <betazero@msn.com>I
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dont mean to be rude but blocking out the house is the shortest portion of
time for a project. Typically 2 days for me. The CD, which does contain the
elevations, takes between two weeks for 2-3k s.f. and 1 month for a 11k home.
Now what your saying is that I should spend 2-4 weeks modeling the house so
that I can export a relatively useless 3D drawing which I then have to paste
2D details too. Then start the CD after that...hmm ok 1.5 months just to do
probably a 3k home. I dont know how busy everyone else is but not only does
this not produce a better product but it also wastes my time. Also the
possible money that could be made if 2 jobs were done in that same time
period.
Here is the kicker....the client will never probably see the
3d model I made because how can I show a 3d model with 2d objects pasted to
it...
Its does not seem to work for high end residential...so what I
propose is too really make the 2D part FLY. Then not only will 2D people be
happy but the 3D as well.
1) Find ways to cut regens.
2) Fix the
bugs
3) Make the program load faster
4) Make 2d and 3d objects work
together.
5) Optimize all the menus and palettes. For properties add a hide
non-editable attributes function.
6) I can go on but I have to get back to
work.
When I get back to my ACAD 14 speed, with the added beauty of
doors/windows/(walls... maybe someday after they have evolved to be more
friendly)area schedules/xref&block double click editting and all the other
supporting cool little funtions, I will be most happy. Right now it takes me
25% longer than ACAD 14 and thats after extreme Autolisp streamlining of
ADT.
Thanks,
Beta
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"Dennis McNeal - Autodesk" <
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I don't generally design a custom house in 2
days....too many things to think about, none of which are CAD related. The
design model always impresses the client. I show the model along with
plots to sell the design. I wonder what that's worth?
I do find the 3D model to be useful for making
elevations and as a start for sections. If I did my work during design, these
puppys are very useful.
I'm not saying ADT 2004 is perfect. I am saying I
wouldn't work any other way.
Dennis
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Dennis McNeal, AIA
Autodesk BSD
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"betazero" <I
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dont mean to be rude but blocking out the house is the shortest portion of
time for a project. Typically 2 days for me. The CD, which does contain the
elevations, takes between two weeks for 2-3k s.f. and 1 month for a 11k
home. Now what your saying is that I should spend 2-4 weeks modeling the
house so that I can export a relatively useless 3D drawing which I then have
to paste 2D details too. Then start the CD after that...hmm ok 1.5 months
just to do probably a 3k home. I dont know how busy everyone else is but not
only does this not produce a better product but it also wastes my time. Also
the possible money that could be made if 2 jobs were done in that same time
period.
Here is the kicker....the client will never probably see the
3d model I made because how can I show a 3d model with 2d objects pasted to
it...
Its does not seem to work for high end residential...so what I
propose is too really make the 2D part FLY. Then not only will 2D people be
happy but the 3D as well.
1) Find ways to cut regens.
2) Fix the
bugs
3) Make the program load faster
4) Make 2d and 3d objects work
together.
5) Optimize all the menus and palettes. For properties add a
hide non-editable attributes function.
6) I can go on but I have to get
back to work.
When I get back to my ACAD 14 speed, with the added
beauty of doors/windows/(walls... maybe someday after they have evolved to
be more friendly)area schedules/xref&block double click editting and all
the other supporting cool little funtions, I will be most happy. Right now
it takes me 25% longer than ACAD 14 and thats after extreme Autolisp
streamlining of
ADT.
Thanks,
Beta
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"a.c.childress" <I'll
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bet more time has been spent on this thread than I spent learning to use
3.3.
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"David Hogan" <
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ADT is too much of a hassle. I'm the only person
here who uses it. Everyone else using ADT1 as ACAD. Big issue is file
incompatiblity, increased corrupt files and so on. Also, it's not oriented
toward renovation (currently our bread and butter): no built-in
Existing/Demo/New layering/objects. Heck, an addon I used 10 years ago did
that better (Cad***s). No interest by boss in Revit (hardware req/cost). Doubt
we'll change any time soon, even if Adesk pulls a 14 on
us.
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"Paul F. Aubin" <
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I have a client that hired me to do some
customization and training on ADT. Today, I was working on their Wall Styles.
You are right, ADT does not come with a Demo and Exist Wall Style. I set these
up, created Layer Keys for them and built a Tool Palette with a tool for each
style. How long did it take? Let's just say that I have had VCRs that took
longer to setup. It would have been nice if Autodesk had added a demo, and
exist Wall Style out of the box, but hey, now they are setup and it took
little time to do it. There is not a piece of software out there that
does not require some setup time.
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paul
Paul F. Aubin
Buy Mastering Autodesk Architectural Desktop and
Autodesk Architectural Desktop: An Advanced Implementation Guide online
at:
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"David Hogan" <
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ADT is too much of a hassle. I'm the only
person here who uses it. Everyone else using ADT1 as ACAD. Big issue is file
incompatiblity, increased corrupt files and so on. Also, it's not oriented
toward renovation (currently our bread and butter): no built-in
Existing/Demo/New layering/objects. Heck, an addon I used 10 years ago did
that better (Cad***s). No interest by boss in Revit (hardware req/cost).
Doubt we'll change any time soon, even if Adesk pulls a 14 on
us.
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"Paul F. Aubin" <
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Amazon has it. My web site links direct to it via
Amazon. Not sure about BN, but I think they are also Amazon. I just got my
copy from the publisher today, so we are shipping now!!!!
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paul
Paul F. Aubin
Buy Mastering Autodesk Architectural Desktop and
Autodesk Architectural Desktop: An Advanced Implementation Guide online
at:
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"Matistimo" <I'm
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not sure how other people feel about this, but I seem to spend 50% of my time
trying to figure out how to draw something rather then just drawing it. I
consider myself very knowledgable in Autocad but just tried to do a side job
the "correct" ADT way with 3D modeling and everything and it's taking twice as
long to do it vs. drawing it in 2D! I don't know how everyone elses offices
are but 3/4 of my office struggle with basic AutoCad let alone drawing
everything in 3D. How many of your offices actually use ADT the correct way?
Just wondering if I'm all alone in this or not.
Kevin