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Message 1 of 34
Anonymous
412 Views, 33 Replies

Freedom tower

What do you think?

http://www.aia.org/aiarchitect/thisweek06/0714/0714freedom.cfm

I'm very disappointed.

Ric Hammond, AIA
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Message 21 of 34
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Interesting.

Thanks.

Jack


"Dean Saadallah" wrote in message
news:5238724@discussion.autodesk.com...
Their 'jobs' website still requires all Architectural
applications to be proficient in AutoCAD, 3DS and/or Rhino.
No mention of ADT that I could see.

--
Dean Saadallah
Add-on products for LT
http://www.pendean.com/lt
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Message 22 of 34
bt-arch
in reply to: Anonymous

I know. I know. But it's not pretty. And I can't see what they have done to address it creatively.
Message 23 of 34
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

The Freedom Tower is being designed and documented in Revit...in case you
really didn't know. Of course, other software is being used in the process,
including AutoCAD and even ArchiCAD (to run an energy analysis on the
building skin that was only available in ArchiCAD as a plug-in) but the main
tool to produce CD's and manage all of the data is Revit Building.

"JMT-02" wrote in message
news:5238824@discussion.autodesk.com...
Interesting.

Thanks.

Jack


"Dean Saadallah" wrote in message
news:5238724@discussion.autodesk.com...
Their 'jobs' website still requires all Architectural
applications to be proficient in AutoCAD, 3DS and/or Rhino.
No mention of ADT that I could see.

--
Dean Saadallah
Add-on products for LT
http://www.pendean.com/lt
--
Message 24 of 34
bt-arch
in reply to: Anonymous

I thought I read that it was Revit for the skin/modeling and ADT for the floor plans and detailing.

But don't quote me.
Message 25 of 34
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

bt-arch wrote:
> I thought I read that it was Revit for the skin/modeling and ADT for
> the floor plans and detailing.
>
> But don't quote me.

I've read that there's a lot of (especially large) firms out there,
utilizing Revit and ADT in this fashion.

I wonder if this has anything to do with the current shortage of proficient
Revit production-level workforce?

I imagine higher level Designers conceive the plan/section/elevation in
Revit,
and then turn the design over to an ADT production staff;
much like the traditional hand-sketch/drafted document relationship.

Maybe, in the future, as the Revit trained workforce expands;
this 'hand-off' may not be as necessary?...
Message 26 of 34
eviele
in reply to: Anonymous

That's exactly the way my reseller is describing it to me.

Revit works best with users more versed in the construction of the building.
Message 27 of 34
JeffreyMcGrew
in reply to: Anonymous

"I've read that there's a lot of (especially large) firms out there,
utilizing Revit and ADT in this fashion."

We've got some like that. Some are also 100% Revit...

"I wonder if this has anything to do with the current shortage of proficient Revit production-level workforce?"

It has everything to do with that. The big projects we got going on Revit that are also using ADT for the CD's is because of team, training, and time demands. If those teams were ready to hit the ground running on a huge project, we'd probably be 100% Revit on those jobs.

But as it is now, we've got a handful of folks that are up to speed to that level, so we do some stuff in Revit, some stuff in ADT, and get a lot of bang for our buck in the short term for these big projects. Other projects we got going are 100% Revit. It really depends on the team, training time, ect...

"I imagine higher level Designers conceive the lan/section/elevation in Revit, and then turn the design over to an ADT production staff; much like the traditional hand-sketch/drafted document relationship."

While that is a viable method, and there are some larger firms that do just this, I don't see it really being necessary. Personally. You don't gain much switching systems mid-swing, and you can totally do Cd's in Revit pretty efficiently. Well, that is, until Autodesk makes something that lets you move between the two systems better. Then maybe. But even then I don't see much gained, unless your office's people are really that much more efficient on ADT. But if ADT is really that much better and faster than Revit when it comes to CD's, then why are folks using Revit for CD's?

"Maybe, in the future, as the Revit trained workforce expands; this 'hand-off' may not be as necessary?"

It's not 'necessary' now, actually. It's just timing and level of experience, really...

Jeffrey
Message 28 of 34
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

With all the politic and committees involved I'm surprised that it looks
this good. But not very nondescript. Of course there want nothing special
about the original WTC towers either.

As far as the spire at the top and the base of the spire it reminded me of a
... oh never mind. Just say it looks like an afterthought rather than
integrated into the design.


"Ric Hammond" wrote in message
news:5237997@discussion.autodesk.com...
What do you think?

http://www.aia.org/aiarchitect/thisweek06/0714/0714freedom.cfm

I'm very disappointed.

Ric Hammond, AIA
Message 29 of 34
bt-arch
in reply to: Anonymous

Why do I have this dreadful feeling that the real super secret business plan that Autodesk has is that we're all going to be buying ACAD - and - REVIT.

Upsell, cross-sell and so on.
Message 30 of 34
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

bt-arch wrote:
> dreadful feeling that the real super secret
> business plan

oh, it's no secret;
my friend...
Message 31 of 34
calfcreek
in reply to: Anonymous

It's a cop-out to blame bad design on restrictions. That's like saying the code made me put those ugly hand rails up. A real designer will meet code AND design.

One man's ever so humble opinion.
Keith D. Rodebush
SGAI
Message 32 of 34
calfcreek
in reply to: Anonymous

I thought it was a perfect dagger.
:-)
cc
Message 33 of 34
bt-arch
in reply to: Anonymous

They'd get my sympathy if they were to blame their greedy client. The fish stinks from the head.

And I assume that the alterations in the forms were mostly done to optimize (reduce) the amount of steel in the structure. SOM is quite good at that sort of thing. Less is a bore. Repeat.
Message 34 of 34
bt-arch
in reply to: Anonymous

The freedom tower dagger of death you say?

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