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    PatrickByrne
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    Registered: ‎10-06-2010

    Pipe cutback elbow setting using “Line to Pipe”

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    07-30-2012 07:05 PM

    I have a pipeline with an included angle of 93 degrees. Therefore I draw 2 lines with an included angle of 93 degrees and use the command Line to Pipe (PLANTCONVERTLINETOPIPE).

     

    I would have expected when I used the Line to Pipe command it would have put in the pipe with a cutback elbow of 87 degrees. It actually puts in a 90 degree elbow, but still shows it connected and only calls up a 90 degree bend in the material list, this is not correct.

     

    If I have a pipeline with an included angle of 95 degrees its puts in a 90 degree elbow cut back to 85 degrees, which is correct.

     

    Is there a setting that I can change so any elbow which is not 90 or 45 degrees shows as a cutback elbow

     

    Thanks in advance

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    neonade
    Posts: 64
    Registered: ‎11-22-2010

    Re: Pipe cutback elbow setting using “Line to Pipe”

    07-31-2012 06:28 PM in reply to: PatrickByrne

    Thats strange, i dont have a problem doing this command, what pipe spec did you use in creating the piping?

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    PatrickByrne
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    Registered: ‎10-06-2010

    Re: Pipe cutback elbow setting using “Line to Pipe”

    07-31-2012 09:30 PM in reply to: neonade

    I have attached a sample drawing of what I am getting.

     

    When I run the line to pipe command on lines with an included angle of 93 degrees it puts in a 90 degree elbow without any cutback angle.

     

    When I run the line to pipe command on lines with an included angle of 97 degrees it puts in a 90 degree elbow with a cutback angle of 83 degrees.

     

    If I run the line to pipe as normal with the cutback Elbow toggle on it will work. I was trying to get the automatic line to pipe command working with cutback elbows.

     

    Thanks for trying to solve this.

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    neonade
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    Registered: ‎11-22-2010

    Re: Pipe cutback elbow setting using “Line to Pipe”

    07-31-2012 10:29 PM in reply to: PatrickByrne

    I see, I already got your point...same here I get the same result.

    quick work around is delete the elbow and pull the end grip of the pipe and connect it to the other pipe.

     

     

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    PatrickByrne
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    Registered: ‎10-06-2010

    Re: Pipe cutback elbow setting using “Line to Pipe”

    08-01-2012 02:45 AM in reply to: PatrickByrne

    Thanks for the confirmation. Unless someone comes up with a solution I will be recommending to our guys not to use the Line to Pipe command for sloping pipe.

     

    If you have a slight fall in the pipe it is very hard to see if the elbow is cutback or not and you don't want to find out during installation.

     

     

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    Product Support
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    Registered: ‎03-05-2010

    Re: Pipe cutback elbow setting using “Line to Pipe”

    08-03-2012 03:06 AM in reply to: PatrickByrne

    Hi,

     

    This issue has been logged with our development team and is currently under investigation.

     

    Thanks,
    Dan


    Dan Scales
    Product Support Specialist
    Autodesk, Inc.


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    Employee
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    Registered: ‎08-15-2007

    Re: Pipe cutback elbow setting using “Line to Pipe”

    08-03-2012 09:31 AM in reply to: DanScales

    Not sure if this is happening here or not. I think there is a tolerance that allows 90deg elbows to be used with slightly more or less than 90 deg pipe. 

     

    93 deg seems like it would fall outside of this tolerance,but it may not.

     

    Sorry for the vagueness. It's been a while since I've looked at this in detail.



    Peter Quinn
    Senior Product Manager
    Autodesk, Inc.

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    Distinguished Contributor
    PatrickByrne
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    Registered: ‎10-06-2010

    Re: Pipe cutback elbow setting using “Line to Pipe”

    08-04-2012 03:24 AM in reply to: PatrickByrne

    Most of our piping falls at 2 to 3 degrees, steam piping will have a 1:100 fall. These elbows need to be cutback.

     

    If you can tell me in detail the best way to acheive this that would be great.

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    godiving
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    Registered: ‎12-09-2011

    Re: Pipe cutback elbow setting using “Line to Pipe”

    12-04-2012 07:56 AM in reply to: PeterQuinn

    Where can the tolerance be adjusted that Peter Quinn has mentioned?

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    PatrickByrne
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    Registered: ‎10-06-2010

    Re: Pipe cutback elbow setting using “Line to Pipe”

    12-04-2012 01:23 PM in reply to: godiving

    PLANTSLOPETHRESHOLDANGLE

     

    If I have a pipe sloping at 2 degrees and then goes to a vertical drop I have to set PLANTSLOPETHRESHOLDANGLE to 0, I then draw the pipe in from point to point, you cannot use the line to pipe command PLANTCONVERTLINETOPIPE as this will put in a 90 elbow and not an elbow cut back to 88 degrees. This is a bug which they are fixing up.

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