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dxmnkd316
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Loss of Object Functionality

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02-14-2008 10:44 AM
Greetings,

I have been working on a project for the past week and a half and I came across a problem:

All of the objects in my project, on all drawings, have lost their general functionality. Object snapping to AttachmentPoints has been lost for not only any objects I have created, but also objects such as Field Mounted PLCs.

I can snap to nodes that already have a line connected to them, but that is it.

When I attempt to substitute any symbols, I get the error in the command area that says, "No suitable tool found."

I have audited the project and it finds no errors. When I open the data manager, all of the objects are found and everything seems to be in working order.

Edit: I tried recovering the drawing using the "Recovery" function in the file menu. When the process completes, all of the symbols that are having problems are deleted and the following message appears in the Recovery Window:

"AcPpAsset Asset has no style
AcPpAsset(2EEA7) could not be repaired. It will be Erased."

Any ideas? Message was edited by: dxmnkd316
*Jorge Lopez
Message 2 of 7 (402 Views)

Re: Loss of Object Functionality

02-14-2008 11:48 AM in reply to: dxmnkd316
Hi there - I can tell you what audit log and corrective actions mean but not
what caused the problem.

AcPpAsset is the custom entity we use for placing content, non-SLINEs, into
the drawing. The work very similar to INSERT entities in that they can look
and behave very differently based on what defines it. Block definitions
define INSERT entities and "styles" define AcPpAsset entities. For one
reason or another, an instance of AcPpAsset lost track of the object that
defines it and that is what audit is reporting. The corrective action was to
remove the offending entity from the drawing.

If you can reproduce this problem, please provide the steps so we can fix
it.

Thanks.

Jorge


"dxmnkd316" wrote in message news:5848332@discussion.autodesk.com...
Greetings,

I have been working on a project for the past week and a half and I came
across a problem:

All of the objects in my project, on all drawings, have lost their general
functionality. Object snapping to AttachmentPoints has been lost for not
only any objects I have created, but also objects such as Field Mounted
PLCs.

I can snap to nodes that already have a line connected to them, but that is
it.

When I attempt to substitute any symbols, I get the error in the command
area that says, "No suitable tool found."

I have audited the project and it finds no errors. When I open the data
manager, all of the objects are found and everything seems to be in working
order.

Edit: I tried recovering the drawing using the "Recovery" function in the
file menu. When the process completes, all of the symbols that are having
problems are deleted and the following message appears in the Recovery
Window:

"AcPpAsset Asset has no style
AcPpAsset(2EEA7) could not be repaired. It will be
Erased."

Any ideas?

Message was edited by: dxmnkd316
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dxmnkd316
Posts: 23
Registered: ‎02-14-2008
Message 3 of 7 (402 Views)

Re: Loss of Object Functionality

02-14-2008 12:17 PM in reply to: dxmnkd316
Thanks Jorge for replying so quickly.

I attempted to recreate the problem and from what I can tell, the recovery feature error has "corrected itself." When I used this feature to recover the drawings, it appeared to work to an extent. It restored the substitution feature, and restore many of the object snaps to most of the symbols. It did not restore the object snaps for any of the General Instrumentation Symbols.

I have checked the object snap and tracking settings and I have confirmed that Node snapping is enabled. In addition, I noticed that when I attempted to connect a line to a symbol, the line showed that snapping to perpendicular was occurring (at what appears to be random locations on the symbol that are definitely not perpendicular to anything I can tell), but the perpendicular option is not enabled in the object snap settings.

This problem also seems to only be occurring in drawings that I had open when the License Server was disconnected. I don't know if that had anything to do with it, but it seems like a might big coincidence if it doesn't.

I have attached a screenshot of the perpendicular snapping occurring. I had to delete portions of the screenshot to maintain client confidentiality.

EDIT: Ok, I think I may have identified the problem, but I have no idea how it happened or how to fix it. It appears that all of the General Instrumentation Symbols have lost most of the objects that are found when one of them is viewed in the block editor.

For instance, the Field Mounted PLC has the general outline of the PLC and two fields (Target Object Type and Target Object Loop Number). When I open up a different drawing in the same project, this exact symbol has all of the AttachmentPoints and a couple of Stretch functions.

It appears that the drawings that were open when the program crashed somehow corrupted the General Instrumentation Symbols for the project. Is there any way to recover all of these symbols in the drawings AND in the tool palette without having to redefine ALL of the symbols?

Thanks. Message was edited by: dxmnkd316
*Jorge Lopez
Message 4 of 7 (402 Views)

Re: Loss of Object Functionality

02-19-2008 12:21 PM in reply to: dxmnkd316
>> Is there any way to recover all of these symbols in the drawings AND in
>> the tool palette without having to redefine ALL of the symbols?

The software automatically updates project drawings against the
projSymbolStyle.dwg (content library) as needed. To trigger this, go into
Project Setup and select the Edit Block button for the graphic. This will
put you into the block editor. You do not have to change the block, simply
close the block editor and hit "OK" to dismiss Project Setup. Those steps
are sufficient for triggering a push of content from the projSymbolStyle.dwg
into the project drawings.

Let me know if this works for you or not.

Thanks.

Jorge


"dxmnkd316" wrote in message news:5848500@discussion.autodesk.com...
Thanks Jorge for replying so quickly.

I attempted to recreate the problem and from what I can tell, the recovery
feature error has "corrected itself." When I used this feature to recover
the drawings, it appeared to work to an extent. It restored the
substitution feature, and restore many of the object snaps to most of the
symbols. It did not restore the object snaps for any of the General
Instrumentation Symbols.

I have checked the object snap and tracking settings and I have
confirmed that Node snapping is enabled. In addition, I noticed that when I
attempted to connect a line to a symbol, the line showed that snapping to
perpendicular was occurring (at what appears to be random locations on the
symbol that are definitely not perpendicular to anything I can tell), but
the perpendicular option is not enabled in the object snap settings.

This problem also seems to only be occurring in drawings that I had open
when the License Server was disconnected. I
don't know if that had anything to do with it, but it seems like a might
big coincidence if it doesn't.

I have attached a screenshot of the perpendicular snapping occurring. I had
to delete portions of the screenshot to maintain client confidentiality.

EDIT: Ok, I think I may have identified the problem, but I have no idea how
it happened or how to fix it. It appears that all of the General
Instrumentation Symbols have lost most of the objects that are found when
one of the
m is viewed in the block editor.

For instance, the Field Mounted PLC has the general outline of the PLC and
two fields (Target Object Type and Target Object Loop Number). When I open
up a different drawing in the same project, this exact symbol has all of the
AttachmentPoints and a couple of Stretch functions.

It appears that the drawings that were open when the program crashed somehow
corrupted the General Instrumentation Symbols for the project. Is there any
way to recover
all of these symbols in the drawings AND in the tool palette without having
to redefine ALL of the symbols?

Thanks.

Message was edited by: dxmnkd316
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Message 5 of 7 (401 Views)

Re: Loss of Object Functionality

02-19-2008 07:27 PM in reply to: dxmnkd316
Jorge:

Thanks again for the help. This did seem to work. Why does this happen and is there any way to prevent this from occurring?
*Jorge Lopez
Message 6 of 7 (401 Views)

Re: Loss of Object Functionality

02-19-2008 09:33 PM in reply to: dxmnkd316
I cannot answer the question without being able to reproduce the problem.
Can you make it happen again? If so, send me the steps and I will
investigate the issue further and report back.

Thanks, Jorge

"dxmnkd316" wrote in message news:5852774@discussion.autodesk.com...
Jorge:

Thanks again for the help. This did seem to work. Why does this happen and
is there any way to prevent this from occurring?
Contributor
dxmnkd316
Posts: 23
Registered: ‎02-14-2008
Message 7 of 7 (401 Views)

Re: Loss of Object Functionality

02-21-2008 10:56 AM in reply to: dxmnkd316
Jorge:

Something just occurred to me, when I change a P&ID object's tag, I am changing the object type as well.

For example, a bin symbol I created that I classified under tanks has an object type TK (the tag would read TK-???). When I double click the bin object in the drawing and tag it as BN-301, it changes the object "type" to BN from the default TK.

Could this be what is causing AutoCAD P&ID to not recognize the symbol anymore when I audit the drawing?

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