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*Bell, R. Robert
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Plumbing fixtures

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12-17-2002 04:55 AM
We are a consulting engineering firm that works with a variety of
architects. One thing is common between them all: _they_ place the plumbing
fixtures.

#1, It came to my attention that the plumbing fixture symbols are not
available to vanilla ADT, so just *how* is the architect supposed to add
them?

#2, Most architect's frown on us editing their actual plans, so how does
*this* work in Autodesk's grand building model vision?

#3, In our world, we XRef the floor plan into our drawings. Seems to me that
the intelligence of the new plumbing fixtures is lost in this case, even if
issues #1, 2 were addressed.


--
R. Robert Bell, MCSE
www.AcadX.com
*Melton, Joe
Message 2 of 7 (123 Views)

Re: Plumbing fixtures

12-18-2002 12:18 AM in reply to: *Bell, R. Robert
"#3, In our world, we XRef the floor plan into our drawings. Seems to me
that
the intelligence of the new plumbing fixtures is lost in this case, even if
issues #1, 2 were addressed."

After a quick check, it appears to me that you're not losing the
"intelligence" of the plumbing fixture by XRef-ing the drawing containing
the plumbing fixture. It still knows what it is, and it still has a
Building Systems snap. I'm not sure what else you want from it.




"R. Robert Bell" wrote in message
news:7A09105C95DC718C530B3FB81A9B446D@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> We are a consulting engineering firm that works with a variety of
> architects. One thing is common between them all: _they_ place the
plumbing
> fixtures.
>
> #1, It came to my attention that the plumbing fixture symbols are not
> available to vanilla ADT, so just *how* is the architect supposed to add
> them?
>
> #2, Most architect's frown on us editing their actual plans, so how does
> *this* work in Autodesk's grand building model vision?
>
> #3, In our world, we XRef the floor plan into our drawings. Seems to me
that
> the intelligence of the new plumbing fixtures is lost in this case, even
if
> issues #1, 2 were addressed.
>
>
> --
> R. Robert Bell, MCSE
> www.AcadX.com
>
>
>
*Bell, R. Robert
Message 3 of 7 (123 Views)

Re:

12-18-2002 10:05 AM in reply to: *Bell, R. Robert
In the 1-to-1 demo I saw, if the fixture was located in the current drawing,
the pipe was typed correctly for domestic cold on the right, dom. hot on the
left, and waste in the center. But that did not appear to be the case with a
fixture buried in an XRef. The snaps where there, but the water system had
to be forced.


--
R. Robert Bell, MCSE
www.AcadX.com


"Joe Melton" wrote in message
news:E6DA967D65AF863A81B94D37BC969A37@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
| "#3, In our world, we XRef the floor plan into our drawings. Seems to me
| that
| the intelligence of the new plumbing fixtures is lost in this case, even
if
| issues #1, 2 were addressed."
|
| After a quick check, it appears to me that you're not losing the
| "intelligence" of the plumbing fixture by XRef-ing the drawing containing
| the plumbing fixture. It still knows what it is, and it still has a
| Building Systems snap. I'm not sure what else you want from it.
|
|
|
|
| "R. Robert Bell" wrote in message
| news:7A09105C95DC718C530B3FB81A9B446D@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
| > We are a consulting engineering firm that works with a variety of
| > architects. One thing is common between them all: _they_ place the
| plumbing
| > fixtures.
| >
| > #1, It came to my attention that the plumbing fixture symbols are not
| > available to vanilla ADT, so just *how* is the architect supposed to add
| > them?
| >
| > #2, Most architect's frown on us editing their actual plans, so how does
| > *this* work in Autodesk's grand building model vision?
| >
| > #3, In our world, we XRef the floor plan into our drawings. Seems to me
| that
| > the intelligence of the new plumbing fixtures is lost in this case, even
| if
| > issues #1, 2 were addressed.
| >
| >
| > --
| > R. Robert Bell, MCSE
| > www.AcadX.com
| >
| >
| >
|
|
*Melton, Joe
Message 4 of 7 (123 Views)

Re:

12-19-2002 12:16 AM in reply to: *Bell, R. Robert
Yeah, I thought there was more to what you were saying. I didn't check to
see if it maintained systems.


"R. Robert Bell" wrote in message
news:551D1F4AA6088869AF739F710CF243DA@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> In the 1-to-1 demo I saw, if the fixture was located in the current
drawing,
> the pipe was typed correctly for domestic cold on the right, dom. hot on
the
> left, and waste in the center. But that did not appear to be the case with
a
> fixture buried in an XRef. The snaps where there, but the water system had
> to be forced.
>
>
> --
> R. Robert Bell, MCSE
> www.AcadX.com
>
>
> "Joe Melton" wrote in message
> news:E6DA967D65AF863A81B94D37BC969A37@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> | "#3, In our world, we XRef the floor plan into our drawings. Seems to me
> | that
> | the intelligence of the new plumbing fixtures is lost in this case, even
> if
> | issues #1, 2 were addressed."
> |
> | After a quick check, it appears to me that you're not losing the
> | "intelligence" of the plumbing fixture by XRef-ing the drawing
containing
> | the plumbing fixture. It still knows what it is, and it still has a
> | Building Systems snap. I'm not sure what else you want from it.
> |
> |
> |
> |
> | "R. Robert Bell" wrote in message
> | news:7A09105C95DC718C530B3FB81A9B446D@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> | > We are a consulting engineering firm that works with a variety of
> | > architects. One thing is common between them all: _they_ place the
> | plumbing
> | > fixtures.
> | >
> | > #1, It came to my attention that the plumbing fixture symbols are not
> | > available to vanilla ADT, so just *how* is the architect supposed to
add
> | > them?
> | >
> | > #2, Most architect's frown on us editing their actual plans, so how
does
> | > *this* work in Autodesk's grand building model vision?
> | >
> | > #3, In our world, we XRef the floor plan into our drawings. Seems to
me
> | that
> | > the intelligence of the new plumbing fixtures is lost in this case,
even
> | if
> | > issues #1, 2 were addressed.
> | >
> | >
> | > --
> | > R. Robert Bell, MCSE
> | > www.AcadX.com
> | >
> | >
> | >
> |
> |
>
>
*Bell, R. Robert
Message 5 of 7 (123 Views)

Re:

12-19-2002 12:44 AM in reply to: *Bell, R. Robert
Thanks for helping me clarify it for Autodesk! ;-)

--
R. Robert Bell, MCSE
www.AcadX.com
*inc, chris yanchar - autodesk
Message 6 of 7 (123 Views)

Re: Plumbing fixtures

04-22-2003 01:49 AM in reply to: *Bell, R. Robert
What sort of level of interoperability would you imagine as far as MvParts
and the architect's placement of such things as: plumbing fixtures,
electrical devices, hvac diffusers, etc?

For example, I would wish that an air diffuser could be anchored to a
ceiling grid object...and across xrefs.

Thoughts?

--
chris yanchar
product design
building solutions division
autodesk, inc.


"R. Robert Bell" wrote in message
news:7A09105C95DC718C530B3FB81A9B446D@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> We are a consulting engineering firm that works with a variety of
> architects. One thing is common between them all: _they_ place the
plumbing
> fixtures.
>
> #1, It came to my attention that the plumbing fixture symbols are not
> available to vanilla ADT, so just *how* is the architect supposed to add
> them?
>
> #2, Most architect's frown on us editing their actual plans, so how does
> *this* work in Autodesk's grand building model vision?
>
> #3, In our world, we XRef the floor plan into our drawings. Seems to me
that
> the intelligence of the new plumbing fixtures is lost in this case, even
if
> issues #1, 2 were addressed.
>
>
> --
> R. Robert Bell, MCSE
> www.AcadX.com
>
>
>
*Capper, Robin
Message 7 of 7 (123 Views)

Re:

04-27-2003 07:31 PM in reply to: *Bell, R. Robert
I would like ADT upgraded to be able to handle MVParts. Then we can place
lights, switches etc at the fitout design stage before the services team get
to work.

EG I know "area x" will need 4 power pts, a data & phone outlet or that a
room will require a extract fan but cant show it in any way that minimises
re-work & possible omission/confusion. When the services team pick up the
ADT model it is a manual function to pick up/track those items. Seems a bit
primitive when we are both modelling with sophisticated software?

I don't need all the system design tools (circuit analysis etc) but just the
ability to make/see/place the parts.Even if this wasn't the full catalogue
but just generic "standard" style parts would be better than nothing. At
least then the engineer can just alter the "Standard" fitting to the
appropriate final spec.

From what I have seen of them MVParts would be a great addition to the MV
block setup already in ADT. Use them for things that are best modelled with
ADT MVBlocks but should only "mate" in defined ways (Seating or modular
shopfittings...)

--
Regards,
Robin Capper
Email; robin.capper@thewarehouse.co.nz

"chris yanchar - autodesk inc" wrote in
message news:EB2CE93C8B4E7969419AECA399FF2F61@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> What sort of level of interoperability would you imagine as far as MvParts
> and the architect's placement of such things as: plumbing fixtures,
> electrical devices, hvac diffusers, etc?
>
> For example, I would wish that an air diffuser could be anchored to a
> ceiling grid object...and across xrefs.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> --
> chris yanchar
> product design
> building solutions division
> autodesk, inc.
>
>
> "R. Robert Bell" wrote in message
> news:7A09105C95DC718C530B3FB81A9B446D@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > We are a consulting engineering firm that works with a variety of
> > architects. One thing is common between them all: _they_ place the
> plumbing
> > fixtures.
> >
> > #1, It came to my attention that the plumbing fixture symbols are not
> > available to vanilla ADT, so just *how* is the architect supposed to add
> > them?
> >
> > #2, Most architect's frown on us editing their actual plans, so how does
> > *this* work in Autodesk's grand building model vision?
> >
> > #3, In our world, we XRef the floor plan into our drawings. Seems to me
> that
> > the intelligence of the new plumbing fixtures is lost in this case, even
> if
> > issues #1, 2 were addressed.
> >
> >
> > --
> > R. Robert Bell, MCSE
> > www.AcadX.com
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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