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    *Andrew

    Multiple Scales

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    10-30-2003 05:04 AM
    Please fix the multiple scales in one drawing issue. This has been a
    problem since R1 and needs attention. It is very painful having separate
    drawings for each scale. Its even more painful to have to scale the
    drawings when xref'd into a drawing with a different scale. When did
    Autocad first start supporting multiple scales in one drawing? R9? Before
    that? ABS took a big step backward in this respect.

    One idea is to make the program support multiple model spaces similar to
    layouts. Each model space could have its own scale. Each layout would have
    the ability to have viewports to all of the model spaces without one of the
    model space scales affecting the other.

    Sorry for ranting. I'm a bit frustrated.

    Andrew
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    Re: Multiple Scales

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    11-05-2003 02:29 AM in reply to: *Andrew
    One way to have multiple scales in a drawing is to change you dimscale. Example: if you are using 1/8" scale, chances are your dimscale is at 1", if you need to have a scale 1/4" change your dimscale to .5". every symbol or device should come in half the size no matter what the scale is set to. I hope this solves your problem!
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    *Andrew

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    11-05-2003 02:45 AM in reply to: *Andrew
    Thanks for the response.  Unfortunately the
    size a device is inserted is no longer controlled by dimscale.  If its
    style scale is set to "Use Annotation Scale", the block scaling is controlled by
    "Annotation Plot Size" in Drawing Setup.  Changing the scale of the drawing
    changes all existing symbol scales as well.  So there can only be one
    symbol size in a drawing.

     

     



    style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">One
    way to have multiple scales in a drawing is to change you dimscale. Example:
    if you are using 1/8" scale, chances are your dimscale is at 1", if you need
    to have a scale 1/4" change your dimscale to .5". every symbol or device
    should come in half the size no matter what the scale is set to. I hope this
    solves your problem!
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    Re: Multiple Scales

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    11-06-2003 08:59 PM in reply to: *Andrew
    I was able to use multiple scale in a dwg. In order to do this I had to xref in a second dwg. with the other scale. I thought that the dimscale would have worked, it worked in previous releases, then again not much has stayed the same in this release. Xrefing seperate dwg's should solve your problem although it means creating an extra file that you shouldnt have to have.
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    11-06-2003 10:40 PM in reply to: *Andrew
    When xreffing in the second plan that is a
    different scale, all the symbols take on the annotation scale of the drawing
    being xreffed into.  I have found two work arounds:

     

    1.  Xref in the floor plan and scale it up
    twice.  So if you are working with 1/8th scale and you want to add a 1/4"
    room blowup, scale up the plan to be used as 1/4" and use 1/8" symbols,
    annotations and viewports.

     

    2.  The second method is similar.  Use a
    separate drawing for the 1/4" scale blowup.  This drawing should be set up
    to be 1/4".  When xreffing it into the 1/8" drawing, scale it up twice and
    use an 1/8" viewport.

     

    In my experiences, it is bad practice to scale
    geometry that has been drawn true size.  But this program gives no other
    option.

     

     


    style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    I
    was able to use multiple scale in a dwg. In order to do this I had to xref in
    a second dwg. with the other scale. I thought that the dimscale would have
    worked, it worked in previous releases, then again not much has stayed the
    same in this release. Xrefing seperate dwg's should solve your problem
    although it means creating an extra file that you shouldnt have to
    have.
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    11-06-2003 10:40 PM in reply to: *Andrew
    You could lock the scale of the devices in the
    second file to whatever scale it is, then they would come in at that size, but
    you wouldn't be limiting your default device styles to one scale, a little
    annoying yes, man I thought there was an option to keep devices from
    auto-scaling when you change the drawing scale property.  I guess I
    just dreamed it up, cause I sure can't find it now. =/


    style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">

    When xreffing in the second plan that is a
    different scale, all the symbols take on the annotation scale of the drawing
    being xreffed into.  I have found two work arounds:

     

    1.  Xref in the floor plan and scale it up
    twice.  So if you are working with 1/8th scale and you want to add a 1/4"
    room blowup, scale up the plan to be used as 1/4" and use 1/8" symbols,
    annotations and viewports.

     

    2.  The second method is similar.  Use
    a separate drawing for the 1/4" scale blowup.  This drawing should be set
    up to be 1/4".  When xreffing it into the 1/8" drawing, scale it up twice
    and use an 1/8" viewport.

     

    In my experiences, it is bad practice to scale
    geometry that has been drawn true size.  But this program gives no other
    option.

     

     


    style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    I
    was able to use multiple scale in a dwg. In order to do this I had to xref
    in a second dwg. with the other scale. I thought that the dimscale would
    have worked, it worked in previous releases, then again not much has stayed
    the same in this release. Xrefing seperate dwg's should solve your problem
    although it means creating an extra file that you shouldnt have to
    have.
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    *Andrew

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    11-07-2003 12:52 AM in reply to: *Andrew
    "You could lock the scale of the devices in the
    second file to whatever scale it is"

     

    How do I do this?


    style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">

    You could lock the scale of the devices in the
    second file to whatever scale it is, then they would come in at that size, but
    you wouldn't be limiting your default device styles to one scale, a little
    annoying yes, man I thought there was an option to keep devices from
    auto-scaling when you change the drawing scale property.  I guess I
    just dreamed it up, cause I sure can't find it now. =/


    style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">

    When xreffing in the second plan that is a
    different scale, all the symbols take on the annotation scale of the drawing
    being xreffed into.  I have found two work arounds:

     

    1.  Xref in the floor plan and scale it up
    twice.  So if you are working with 1/8th scale and you want to add a
    1/4" room blowup, scale up the plan to be used as 1/4" and use 1/8"
    symbols, annotations and viewports.

     

    2.  The second method is similar. 
    Use a separate drawing for the 1/4" scale blowup.  This drawing should
    be set up to be 1/4".  When xreffing it into the 1/8" drawing, scale it
    up twice and use an 1/8" viewport.

     

    In my experiences, it is bad practice to scale
    geometry that has been drawn true size.  But this program gives no
    other option.

     

     


    style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    I
    was able to use multiple scale in a dwg. In order to do this I had to xref
    in a second dwg. with the other scale. I thought that the dimscale would
    have worked, it worked in previous releases, then again not much has
    stayed the same in this release. Xrefing seperate dwg's should solve your
    problem although it means creating an extra file that you shouldnt have to
    have.
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    *Snocker, John

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    11-07-2003 12:57 AM in reply to: *Andrew
    In the device style->view tab->scaling, set
    scaling to override scale, and whatever your annotation would be at the desired
    scale (3/32"@1/8" scale = 9)


    style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">

    "You could lock the scale of the devices in the
    second file to whatever scale it is"

     

    How do I do this?


    style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">

    You could lock the scale of the devices in the
    second file to whatever scale it is, then they would come in at that size,
    but you wouldn't be limiting your default device styles to one scale, a
    little annoying yes, man I thought there was an option to keep devices from
    auto-scaling when you change the drawing scale property.  I
    guess I just dreamed it up, cause I sure can't find it now.
    =/


    style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">

    When xreffing in the second plan that is a
    different scale, all the symbols take on the annotation scale of the
    drawing being xreffed into.  I have found two work
    arounds:

     

    1.  Xref in the floor plan and scale it
    up twice.  So if you are working with 1/8th scale and you want to add
    a 1/4" room blowup, scale up the plan to be used as 1/4" and use 1/8"
    symbols, annotations and viewports.

     

    2.  The second method is similar. 
    Use a separate drawing for the 1/4" scale blowup.  This drawing
    should be set up to be 1/4".  When xreffing it into the 1/8" drawing,
    scale it up twice and use an 1/8" viewport.

     

    In my experiences, it is bad practice to
    scale geometry that has been drawn true size.  But this program gives
    no other option.

     

     


    style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    I
    was able to use multiple scale in a dwg. In order to do this I had to
    xref in a second dwg. with the other scale. I thought that the dimscale
    would have worked, it worked in previous releases, then again not much
    has stayed the same in this release. Xrefing seperate dwg's should solve
    your problem although it means creating an extra file that you shouldnt
    have to have.
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    *Andrew

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    11-07-2003 01:18 AM in reply to: *Andrew
    Thanks John,  I hadn't thought of
    that.

     

    Now if there were only an option to do this per
    scale.  Or maybe just a simple toggle to keep the device scale relative to
    the scale used when the device was inserted.

     

     


    style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">

    In the device style->view tab->scaling, set
    scaling to override scale, and whatever your annotation would be at the
    desired scale (3/32"@1/8" scale = 9)


    style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">

    "You could lock the scale of the devices in the
    second file to whatever scale it is"

     

    How do I do this?


    style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">

    You could lock the scale of the devices in
    the second file to whatever scale it is, then they would come in at that
    size, but you wouldn't be limiting your default device styles to one
    scale, a little annoying yes, man I thought there was an option to keep
    devices from auto-scaling when you change the drawing scale
    property.  I guess I just dreamed it up, cause I sure can't find
    it now. =/


    style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">

    When xreffing in the second plan that is a
    different scale, all the symbols take on the annotation scale of the
    drawing being xreffed into.  I have found two work
    arounds:

     

    1.  Xref in the floor plan and scale
    it up twice.  So if you are working with 1/8th scale and you want
    to add a 1/4" room blowup, scale up the plan to be used as 1/4" and
    use 1/8" symbols, annotations and viewports.

     

    2.  The second method is
    similar.  Use a separate drawing for the 1/4" scale blowup. 
    This drawing should be set up to be 1/4".  When xreffing it into
    the 1/8" drawing, scale it up twice and use an 1/8"
    viewport.

     

    In my experiences, it is bad practice to
    scale geometry that has been drawn true size.  But this program
    gives no other option.

     

     


    style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    I
    was able to use multiple scale in a dwg. In order to do this I had to
    xref in a second dwg. with the other scale. I thought that the
    dimscale would have worked, it worked in previous releases, then again
    not much has stayed the same in this release. Xrefing seperate dwg's
    should solve your problem although it means creating an extra file
    that you shouldnt have to
    have.
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    *Sonnier, Michael

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    11-09-2003 11:47 PM in reply to: *Andrew
    I fully agree, AutoDesk should have corrected this
    a version or two ago! I don't know about the multiple model spaces, but I would
    be willing to give it a try versus what they have now. Maybe even change it from
    the entire drawing setup to viewport specific? I think AutoDesk should seriously
    review this "flaw" and fix it.

    I understand the direction they are heading with
    annotation scale based devices, however they should make the tags and other
    annotation all work the same not just the devices update per drawing setup
    scale.

     

    As long as I am on the band wagon:

     

    Make the light fixtures, HVAC diffusers,
    etc.. "devices" break/mask the Architectural ceiling grids thru an xref !
    We have the Architectural department xrefing our (M & E) drawings and then
    using there own devices to in their ceiling grid to create a reflected ceiling
    plan. This leave a lot of room for error and is a double up of work. I think it
    is idiotic having to do it twice. This is similar to the plumbing fixtures. This
    stuff needs to be fixed!


    --

    Michael Sonnier


    style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">

    Thanks John,  I hadn't thought of
    that.

     

    Now if there were only an option to do this per
    scale.  Or maybe just a simple toggle to keep the device scale relative
    to the scale used when the device was inserted.

     

     


    style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">

    In the device style->view tab->scaling,
    set scaling to override scale, and whatever your annotation would be at the
    desired scale (3/32"@1/8" scale = 9)


    style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">

    "You could lock the scale of the devices in
    the second file to whatever scale it is"

     

    How do I do this?


    style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">

    You could lock the scale of the devices in
    the second file to whatever scale it is, then they would come in at that
    size, but you wouldn't be limiting your default device styles to one
    scale, a little annoying yes, man I thought there was an option to keep
    devices from auto-scaling when you change the drawing scale
    property.  I guess I just dreamed it up, cause I sure can't
    find it now. =/


    style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">

    When xreffing in the second plan that is
    a different scale, all the symbols take on the annotation scale of the
    drawing being xreffed into.  I have found two work
    arounds:

     

    1.  Xref in the floor plan and scale
    it up twice.  So if you are working with 1/8th scale and you want
    to add a 1/4" room blowup, scale up the plan to be used as 1/4" and
    use 1/8" symbols, annotations and viewports.

     

    2.  The second method is
    similar.  Use a separate drawing for the 1/4" scale blowup. 
    This drawing should be set up to be 1/4".  When xreffing it into
    the 1/8" drawing, scale it up twice and use an 1/8"
    viewport.

     

    In my experiences, it is bad practice to
    scale geometry that has been drawn true size.  But this program
    gives no other option.

     

     


    style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    I
    was able to use multiple scale in a dwg. In order to do this I had
    to xref in a second dwg. with the other scale. I thought that the
    dimscale would have worked, it worked in previous releases, then
    again not much has stayed the same in this release. Xrefing seperate
    dwg's should solve your problem although it means creating an extra
    file that you shouldnt have to
    have.
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