Schematic Symbols

[Anonymous]

I have set up Schematic System Definitions. The only thing I have specified
is the Layer Key. When inserting a schematic symbol, everything works fine.
Now, if I edit a symbol and remove all connectors, it will no longer insert
on any system other than standard. I set the system and insert the symbol
but it is on the wrong layer. Back in the dialog box, the symbol has been
changed back to Standard. If I right click on the symbol to modify it, the
System field is blank. I can click the arrow next to it to get the drop
down list but I can't change it. And it won't let me close the dialog box
unless I hit the Esc key. Is this a known issue?

[Anonymous]

Hi Andrew!

The system is actually stored on the first connector, that's why you can't
set the system when you have removed the connector. Why would you want to
remove all connectors? Let me know and I'll see if I can come up with a
workaround for that.
/Hakan

hakan.wikemar@autodesk.com
"Andrew" wrote in message
news:E27D451E4624B588EF9AFD97B46C97A9@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I have set up Schematic System Definitions. The only thing I have
specified
> is the Layer Key. When inserting a schematic symbol, everything works
fine.
> Now, if I edit a symbol and remove all connectors, it will no longer
insert
> on any system other than standard. I set the system and insert the symbol
> but it is on the wrong layer. Back in the dialog box, the symbol has been
> changed back to Standard. If I right click on the symbol to modify it,
the
> System field is blank. I can click the arrow next to it to get the drop
> down list but I can't change it. And it won't let me close the dialog box
> unless I hit the Esc key. Is this a known issue?
>
>

[Anonymous]

The reason I would like to get rid of the connectors is so I can connect to
any point on the equipment without having to define a connector for that
specific point. I am only doing this on electrical riser equipment. On a
piece of equipment, there might be 6 conduits coming off the bottom and one
out each side. It is very time consuming to make connectors for each point.
My work around was to strip off all connectors so I can snap to any point on
the equipment. Another idea is to spread as many connectors,spaced evenly,
around the perimeter of each piece of equipment. It sounds like this is the
approach I will have to take.

I think there is a flaw with the way connectos are set up. This goes for
all types of connectors whether they are on devices or schematic symbols.
The problem is that the connectors have dual roles. They act as the brains
of the objects they are assigned to as well as define where circuiting can
be attached. There are variables where both roles cannot be met at the same
time. See the building systems wishes group under the heading "Connectors"
for an example.

Perhaps the answer would be to make different types of connectors. Smart
connectors that act exactly as the current connectors do with one exception.
Have a toggle to turn it off as a connection point. So in other words it
would act only as the brains and not a connection point. And then have dumb
connection points. Where their only function is a connection point on a
device for circuiting. The two types of connectors would have to work
together. The smart connector would have to share the circuit information
with the dumb connectors so multiple branch circuiting, home runs, etc.
would work properly.



"Hakan Wikemar [Autodesk]" wrote in message
news:2D7090610A2E9427EE9E8F95317366B6@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Hi Andrew!
>
> The system is actually stored on the first connector, that's why you can't
> set the system when you have removed the connector. Why would you want to
> remove all connectors? Let me know and I'll see if I can come up with a
> workaround for that.
> /Hakan
>
> hakan.wikemar@autodesk.com
> "Andrew" wrote in message
> news:E27D451E4624B588EF9AFD97B46C97A9@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > I have set up Schematic System Definitions. The only thing I have
> specified
> > is the Layer Key. When inserting a schematic symbol, everything works
> fine.
> > Now, if I edit a symbol and remove all connectors, it will no longer
> insert
> > on any system other than standard. I set the system and insert the
symbol
> > but it is on the wrong layer. Back in the dialog box, the symbol has
been
> > changed back to Standard. If I right click on the symbol to modify it,
> the
> > System field is blank. I can click the arrow next to it to get the drop
> > down list but I can't change it. And it won't let me close the dialog
box
> > unless I hit the Esc key. Is this a known issue?
> >
> >
>
>