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alan.skipper
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Message 11 of 17 (301 Views)

Re: "Dead Product"

06-01-2012 01:54 AM in reply to: MarySeufert

It looks like you're saying that it's the resellers promoting Revit instead of AutoCAD MEP and not Autodesk themeselves Mary?

 

I agree that "Vanilla" AutoCAD is a must but my question is regarding AutoCAD MEP and AutoCAD Architecture etc against Revit.

 

So why are the users of Revit MEP "frustrated and annoyed"?

 

Alan

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MarySeufert
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Message 12 of 17 (288 Views)

Re: "Dead Product"

06-01-2012 10:59 AM in reply to: alan.skipper

Hi Allen,

 

I would say that both Autodesk and the resellers promote RMEP. They both make way more money off of RMEP than AMEP. Of course they make even more off of Vanilla than anything else.

 

My perspective of ACA/AMEP being a not so dead product comes from the LDT to C3D transition. It was barely a rumor or supposition before it was announced that LDT was dead. From my recollection, within a year or two of C3D as a viable (although deeply flawed) product, LDT was officially announced for retirement by the next drawing version change. I remember it being a fact that LDT was going away, never it being a rumor. Granted, I wasn't nearly as aware then of Autodesk product cycles as I am now. But there is a noticeable difference IMHO. It may be coming, but if history is indicative of the future, the ACA/AMEP line has at least 4 plus years ahead of it. They will most likely lose my company's business if they do discontinue it. ArchiCAD here I come. I don't dislike Revit, but my old dogs (the boss) refuses to learn new tricks.

 

My opinion of RMEP users dissatisfaction comes from reading their own words. Granted Autodesk is actively improving that product. :smileytongue:

 

~ Mary


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dennis
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Message 13 of 17 (225 Views)

Re: "Dead Product"

06-25-2012 12:25 PM in reply to: MarySeufert

Putting in my 2 cents.  From day one of the Autodesk aquisition of Revit, I have heard the rumor that not just the verticals but AutoCAD itself is a dead product.  However, Autodesk continues to add features, new dwg databases, and last I heard there is still a 5-year development plan for each of the AutoCAD verticals.  If AutoCAD is going to die, it will be a slow slow death.  As said above, as long as folks are buying it, it won't go away.

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Kayrondad
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Message 14 of 17 (188 Views)

Re: "Dead Product"

07-02-2012 01:50 PM in reply to: dennis

It was my understanding that Revit was not a drafting tool, but more of a design tool.  That being said, I have neglected to learn Revit and have absolutely NO interest in the program.  I currently have to know at snap of finger six major graphics programs and one of the controls companies is now pushing their dealers to learn another graphics program so in my case it would be a seventh graphics program and in no way related to the others I already know.  Adding Revit to the repetoire would make 8 and personally, I am tired of having to stack my program knowledge which is why I am trying my darndest to get out of the graphics world altogether because I hate it.  If we go back to Softdesk and move to LDT and C3D, that makes for a total of 10 programs I know and quited honestly, enough is enough.  I am so done with the drafting world.

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Schmit01
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Message 15 of 17 (166 Views)

Re: "Dead Product"

07-09-2012 05:47 AM in reply to: Kayrondad

Coming from extensive use of both programs (having set up both for my company), I would have to say I will not be using AMEP again in the future, mainly in reference to Mechanical. Thats not to say that I dont still use AutoCAD. As long as there is an industry with different consultants using different programs there is no escaping the need to know the basic industry programs of your disapline and comunity eg country,Industry, standards ect.

 

I believe the furstration comes in the form of, AutoCAD can do this so why cant Revit? I have this same frustation on many occations. But when I look at what Revit can do now compared to AutoCAD, The benifits far outway the negatives. Its still a relatively new program. I mean adding insulation had to be added manually to each duct fitting before Ver 2012 if I recall correctly.

 

It will always come to personal preference. As long as there is a demand for a product it will be sold.

 

Ryan

Revit MEP 2013

South Africa

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alan.skipper
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Message 16 of 17 (157 Views)

Re: "Dead Product"

07-09-2012 08:23 AM in reply to: Schmit01

Ryan

 

What do you use in reference to Electrical?

 

Alan

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Schmit01
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Message 17 of 17 (144 Views)

Re: "Dead Product"

07-09-2012 11:16 PM in reply to: alan.skipper

Hi Alan

 

I only deal with Mechanical, specifically HVAC. Our other branches do work on electrical but are still on plain Autocad using blocks and symbols. I have been assigned to get the electrical going on Revit, but that will be slow process over a year and a steep learning curve! 

 

Ryan

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