Vertical Transformation

Anonymous · ‎02-23-2007

How does everyone handle Vertical Transformations? Horizontal
transformations are easily handled with a Map query. But what about
Vertical?

I have a job that was done in HPGN - US Feet and NAVD88 - US Feet. I had not
trouble transforming the drawing to HPGN - Meters. I also need to transform
all the elevations to NAVD88 - Meters.

Up till now I've always written a point file and run it through CorpsCon.
But if I re-import the points they won't be on the correct layers. Yes. I
know about Description Keys. That's another story.

So is there any way to use Land to transform the elevation to Metric?

Allen
LDT/C3D/RD 2006

Anonymous · ‎02-23-2007

Have you already searched the Knowledge Base Allen?

And telephoned your reseller maybe, if they a good resource that is?

--
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not training your staff, and having them stay." 😮
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"Allen Jessup" wrote in message
news:5498059@discussion.autodesk.com...
How does everyone handle Vertical Transformations? Horizontal
transformations are easily handled with a Map query. But what about
Vertical?

I have a job that was done in HPGN - US Feet and NAVD88 - US Feet. I had not
trouble transforming the drawing to HPGN - Meters. I also need to transform
all the elevations to NAVD88 - Meters.

Up till now I've always written a point file and run it through CorpsCon.
But if I re-import the points they won't be on the correct layers. Yes. I
know about Description Keys. That's another story.

So is there any way to use Land to transform the elevation to Metric?

Allen
LDT/C3D/RD 2006

Anonymous · ‎02-23-2007

snip>if they a good resource that is?
The word "are" was in my mind, but didn't quite make it into my fingers I
see. 😉

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"The only Constant is Change".

"Don Reichle" wrote in message
news:5498168@discussion.autodesk.com...
Have you already searched the Knowledge Base Allen?

And telephoned your reseller maybe, if they a good resource that is?

--
Don Reichle
"The only thing worse than training your staff, and having them leave is -
not training your staff, and having them stay." 😮
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"The only Constant is Change".

"Allen Jessup" wrote in message
news:5498059@discussion.autodesk.com...
How does everyone handle Vertical Transformations? Horizontal
transformations are easily handled with a Map query. But what about
Vertical?

I have a job that was done in HPGN - US Feet and NAVD88 - US Feet. I had not
trouble transforming the drawing to HPGN - Meters. I also need to transform
all the elevations to NAVD88 - Meters.

Up till now I've always written a point file and run it through CorpsCon.
But if I re-import the points they won't be on the correct layers. Yes. I
know about Description Keys. That's another story.

So is there any way to use Land to transform the elevation to Metric?

Allen
LDT/C3D/RD 2006

Anonymous · ‎02-23-2007

You know your life won't be easy until you get the desc keys set up. The
boss needs to pony up the time. 🙂

What is the required level of z accuracy? After x-y translation why not just
convert & calc the datum difference & use the Datum command in the Points
Edit menu.

--
John Mayo
Project Engineer
Conklin Associates
Ramsey, NJ

Civil 3D 2007, LDT 2007, Raster Design 2007
P-IV at 3.5 GHz
2 GB Ram
Nvidea Quadro FX w/ 128 MB Ram
"Allen Jessup" wrote in message
news:5498059@discussion.autodesk.com...
How does everyone handle Vertical Transformations? Horizontal
transformations are easily handled with a Map query. But what about
Vertical?

I have a job that was done in HPGN - US Feet and NAVD88 - US Feet. I had not
trouble transforming the drawing to HPGN - Meters. I also need to transform
all the elevations to NAVD88 - Meters.

Up till now I've always written a point file and run it through CorpsCon.
But if I re-import the points they won't be on the correct layers. Yes. I
know about Description Keys. That's another story.

So is there any way to use Land to transform the elevation to Metric?

Allen
LDT/C3D/RD 2006

Anonymous · ‎02-23-2007

That is a good idea. But unfortunately I'm a perfectionist about the Survey
data. In any case I'd have to run everything through CorpsCon to see what
differences I'd get over the total job. It's over 8,000 feet long so I know
I'd get some discrepancies.

I could also insert the points at elevation and scale them by
0.3048006096012. But that's about the same thing.

Thanks for the time.
Allen

"John Mayo" wrote in message
news:5498304@discussion.autodesk.com...
You know your life won't be easy until you get the desc keys set up. The
boss needs to pony up the time. 🙂

What is the required level of z accuracy? After x-y translation why not just
convert & calc the datum difference & use the Datum command in the Points
Edit menu.

--
John Mayo
Project Engineer
Conklin Associates
Ramsey, NJ

Civil 3D 2007, LDT 2007, Raster Design 2007
P-IV at 3.5 GHz
2 GB Ram
Nvidea Quadro FX w/ 128 MB Ram
"Allen Jessup" wrote in message
news:5498059@discussion.autodesk.com...
How does everyone handle Vertical Transformations? Horizontal
transformations are easily handled with a Map query. But what about
Vertical?

I have a job that was done in HPGN - US Feet and NAVD88 - US Feet. I had not
trouble transforming the drawing to HPGN - Meters. I also need to transform
all the elevations to NAVD88 - Meters.

Up till now I've always written a point file and run it through CorpsCon.
But if I re-import the points they won't be on the correct layers. Yes. I
know about Description Keys. That's another story.

So is there any way to use Land to transform the elevation to Metric?

Allen
LDT/C3D/RD 2006

Anonymous · ‎02-23-2007

I've been down this road before. All the way to NH. It was difficult to even
get them to admit that it could not be done. I posted it as a wish more than
once.

Yes. My reseller is a good resource. You quote them every post. But they
can't make the program do what autodesk hasn't built it to do. There was
supposed to be a registry hack to accomplish this. But last time I asked
they said it didn't work in the newer versions.

I've been pouring over the Civil 3D help files. Hoping that it was included
in that program. I don't find anything. The Knowledge Base has 129 hits for
vertical. Non of them address this.

Oh well. CorpsCon here I come!

Thanks again
Allen

"Don Reichle" wrote in message
news:5498168@discussion.autodesk.com...
Have you already searched the Knowledge Base Allen?

And telephoned your reseller maybe, if they a good resource that is?

--
Don Reichle
"The only thing worse than training your staff, and having them leave is -
not training your staff, and having them stay." 😮
A reminder taken from Graphics Solution Providers' Calendar page
--------------------------------------------------------------------
!! Please discuss whatever we tell you with your SysMgr !!
!! They appreciate staying in the loop 🙂 !!

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WD Raptor 10K-rpm 37GB HD
Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 128MB

"The only Constant is Change".

"Allen Jessup" wrote in message
news:5498059@discussion.autodesk.com...
How does everyone handle Vertical Transformations? Horizontal
transformations are easily handled with a Map query. But what about
Vertical?

I have a job that was done in HPGN - US Feet and NAVD88 - US Feet. I had not
trouble transforming the drawing to HPGN - Meters. I also need to transform
all the elevations to NAVD88 - Meters.

Up till now I've always written a point file and run it through CorpsCon.
But if I re-import the points they won't be on the correct layers. Yes. I
know about Description Keys. That's another story.

So is there any way to use Land to transform the elevation to Metric?

Allen
LDT/C3D/RD 2006

Anonymous · ‎02-23-2007

I stumbled across an interesting method of replacing the elevation. I use
CSV files for the point data. After running the conversion of the elevations
through CorpsCon. I noticed that the N,E decimal precision had dropped by
one place. I couldn't find any way to change this in CorpsCon. So I opened
both point files in Excel and pasted the new elevation in to the old file
and saved that as a new file. That gave me an Idea.

I opened the point database and pasted the new elevations in to the
appropriate column. I now have a point database with the metric elevations.
I also copied the Groups database from the imperial job to the metric job. I
can now insert the points with the new elevations to the appropriate layers.

I'm not recommending this method. I was very careful to make sure the points
were ordered by number in each file and visually checked that the resulting
point database matched the CorpsCon export file in key places.

BTW I think Corpscon is great. It tool all of 2 second to convert the 5000
points from this job.

Allen

"Allen Jessup" wrote in message
news:5498340@discussion.autodesk.com...
I've been down this road before. All the way to NH. It was difficult to even
get them to admit that it could not be done. I posted it as a wish more than
once.

Yes. My reseller is a good resource. You quote them every post. But they
can't make the program do what autodesk hasn't built it to do. There was
supposed to be a registry hack to accomplish this. But last time I asked
they said it didn't work in the newer versions.

I've been pouring over the Civil 3D help files. Hoping that it was included
in that program. I don't find anything. The Knowledge Base has 129 hits for
vertical. Non of them address this.

Oh well. CorpsCon here I come!

Thanks again
Allen

Anonymous · ‎02-23-2007

For a New Yorker that was a pretty good method you came up with. : )

--

Murph
The world is not FLAT so why is your GIS data?
http://map3d.wordpress.com

"Allen Jessup" wrote in message
news:5498463@discussion.autodesk.com...
I stumbled across an interesting method of replacing the elevation. I use
CSV files for the point data. After running the conversion of the elevations
through CorpsCon. I noticed that the N,E decimal precision had dropped by
one place. I couldn't find any way to change this in CorpsCon. So I opened
both point files in Excel and pasted the new elevation in to the old file
and saved that as a new file. That gave me an Idea.

I opened the point database and pasted the new elevations in to the
appropriate column. I now have a point database with the metric elevations.
I also copied the Groups database from the imperial job to the metric job. I
can now insert the points with the new elevations to the appropriate layers.

I'm not recommending this method. I was very careful to make sure the points
were ordered by number in each file and visually checked that the resulting
point database matched the CorpsCon export file in key places.

BTW I think Corpscon is great. It tool all of 2 second to convert the 5000
points from this job.

Allen

"Allen Jessup" wrote in message
news:5498340@discussion.autodesk.com...
I've been down this road before. All the way to NH. It was difficult to even
get them to admit that it could not be done. I posted it as a wish more than
once.

Yes. My reseller is a good resource. You quote them every post. But they
can't make the program do what autodesk hasn't built it to do. There was
supposed to be a registry hack to accomplish this. But last time I asked
they said it didn't work in the newer versions.

I've been pouring over the Civil 3D help files. Hoping that it was included
in that program. I don't find anything. The Knowledge Base has 129 hits for
vertical. Non of them address this.

Oh well. CorpsCon here I come!

Thanks again
Allen

Anonymous · ‎02-25-2007

snip>BTW I think Corpscon is great.
I would agree with you Allen. And if it's good enough for the Army Corps of
Engineers...
http://tinyurl.com/4w8mj

Though it was interesting to read over the OS they used awhile back.

You have any difficulties getting it to run in XP? Just set the necessary OS
as WIN95 in the Compatibility tab?

--
Don Reichle
"The only thing worse than training your staff, and having them leave is -
not training your staff, and having them stay." 😮
A reminder taken from Graphics Solution Providers' Calendar page
--------------------------------------------------------------------
!! Please discuss whatever we tell you with your SysMgr !!
!! They appreciate staying in the loop 🙂 !!

C3D/LDT/CD-2K7 SP2A
AMD Athlon64 2.2GHz 2GB RAM
XPPro 32bit SP2
WD Raptor 10K-rpm 37GB HD
Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 128MB

"The only Constant is Change".

"Allen Jessup" wrote in message
news:5498463@discussion.autodesk.com...
I stumbled across an interesting method of replacing the elevation. I use
CSV files for the point data. After running the conversion of the elevations
through CorpsCon. I noticed that the N,E decimal precision had dropped by
one place. I couldn't find any way to change this in CorpsCon. So I opened
both point files in Excel and pasted the new elevation in to the old file
and saved that as a new file. That gave me an Idea.

I opened the point database and pasted the new elevations in to the
appropriate column. I now have a point database with the metric elevations.
I also copied the Groups database from the imperial job to the metric job. I
can now insert the points with the new elevations to the appropriate layers.

I'm not recommending this method. I was very careful to make sure the points
were ordered by number in each file and visually checked that the resulting
point database matched the CorpsCon export file in key places.

BTW I think Corpscon is great. It tool all of 2 second to convert the 5000
points from this job.

Allen

"Allen Jessup" wrote in message
news:5498340@discussion.autodesk.com...
I've been down this road before. All the way to NH. It was difficult to even
get them to admit that it could not be done. I posted it as a wish more than
once.

Yes. My reseller is a good resource. You quote them every post. But they
can't make the program do what autodesk hasn't built it to do. There was
supposed to be a registry hack to accomplish this. But last time I asked
they said it didn't work in the newer versions.

I've been pouring over the Civil 3D help files. Hoping that it was included
in that program. I don't find anything. The Knowledge Base has 129 hits for
vertical. Non of them address this.

Oh well. CorpsCon here I come!

Thanks again
Allen

Anonymous · ‎02-25-2007

And your point with that comment James?

I'll leave cranium discussions out of the thread - at this point.

Pun intended. 😉

--
Don Reichle
"The only thing worse than training your staff, and having them leave is -
not training your staff, and having them stay." 😮
A reminder taken from Graphics Solution Providers' Calendar page
--------------------------------------------------------------------
!! Please discuss whatever we tell you with your SysMgr !!
!! They appreciate staying in the loop 🙂 !!

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XPPro 32bit SP2
WD Raptor 10K-rpm 37GB HD
Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 128MB

"The only Constant is Change".

"James Murphy" wrote in message
news:5498614@discussion.autodesk.com...
For a New Yorker that was a pretty good method you came up with. : )

--

Murph
The world is not FLAT so why is your GIS data?
http://map3d.wordpress.com

"Allen Jessup" wrote in message
news:5498463@discussion.autodesk.com...
I stumbled across an interesting method of replacing the elevation. I use
CSV files for the point data. After running the conversion of the elevations
through CorpsCon. I noticed that the N,E decimal precision had dropped by
one place. I couldn't find any way to change this in CorpsCon. So I opened
both point files in Excel and pasted the new elevation in to the old file
and saved that as a new file. That gave me an Idea.

I opened the point database and pasted the new elevations in to the
appropriate column. I now have a point database with the metric elevations.
I also copied the Groups database from the imperial job to the metric job. I
can now insert the points with the new elevations to the appropriate layers.

I'm not recommending this method. I was very careful to make sure the points
were ordered by number in each file and visually checked that the resulting
point database matched the CorpsCon export file in key places.

BTW I think Corpscon is great. It tool all of 2 second to convert the 5000
points from this job.

Allen

"Allen Jessup" wrote in message
news:5498340@discussion.autodesk.com...
I've been down this road before. All the way to NH. It was difficult to even
get them to admit that it could not be done. I posted it as a wish more than
once.

Yes. My reseller is a good resource. You quote them every post. But they
can't make the program do what autodesk hasn't built it to do. There was
supposed to be a registry hack to accomplish this. But last time I asked
they said it didn't work in the newer versions.

I've been pouring over the Civil 3D help files. Hoping that it was included
in that program. I don't find anything. The Knowledge Base has 129 hits for
vertical. Non of them address this.

Oh well. CorpsCon here I come!

Thanks again
Allen

Anonymous · ‎02-26-2007

No problem at all. Runs like lighting!

I didn't need to set anything in the compatibility tab. Here's what the
CorpsCon6 users guide has to say;

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Corpscon 6.0 has been tested on a 166MHz, Pentium machine running
Windows98SE with 64

MB of RAM and a screen area of 800x600 pixels. Corpscon 6.0 should run on
Windows95, but

it has not been tested with this operating system. Corpscon will not run on
any 16-bit versions of

Windows (Windows 3.1 or below) and it will not run under DOS.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Allen

"Don Reichle" wrote in message
news:5499680@discussion.autodesk.com...
snip>BTW I think Corpscon is great.
I would agree with you Allen. And if it's good enough for the Army Corps of
Engineers...
http://tinyurl.com/4w8mj

Though it was interesting to read over the OS they used awhile back.

You have any difficulties getting it to run in XP? Just set the necessary OS
as WIN95 in the Compatibility tab?

--
Don Reichle
"The only thing worse than training your staff, and having them leave is -
not training your staff, and having them stay." 😮
A reminder taken from Graphics Solution Providers' Calendar page
--------------------------------------------------------------------
!! Please discuss whatever we tell you with your SysMgr !!
!! They appreciate staying in the loop 🙂 !!

C3D/LDT/CD-2K7 SP2A
AMD Athlon64 2.2GHz 2GB RAM
XPPro 32bit SP2
WD Raptor 10K-rpm 37GB HD
Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 128MB

"The only Constant is Change".

"Allen Jessup" wrote in message
news:5498463@discussion.autodesk.com...
I stumbled across an interesting method of replacing the elevation. I use
CSV files for the point data. After running the conversion of the elevations
through CorpsCon. I noticed that the N,E decimal precision had dropped by
one place. I couldn't find any way to change this in CorpsCon. So I opened
both point files in Excel and pasted the new elevation in to the old file
and saved that as a new file. That gave me an Idea.

I opened the point database and pasted the new elevations in to the
appropriate column. I now have a point database with the metric elevations.
I also copied the Groups database from the imperial job to the metric job. I
can now insert the points with the new elevations to the appropriate layers.

I'm not recommending this method. I was very careful to make sure the points
were ordered by number in each file and visually checked that the resulting
point database matched the CorpsCon export file in key places.

BTW I think Corpscon is great. It tool all of 2 second to convert the 5000
points from this job.

Allen

"Allen Jessup" wrote in message
news:5498340@discussion.autodesk.com...
I've been down this road before. All the way to NH. It was difficult to even
get them to admit that it could not be done. I posted it as a wish more than
once.

Yes. My reseller is a good resource. You quote them every post. But they
can't make the program do what autodesk hasn't built it to do. There was
supposed to be a registry hack to accomplish this. But last time I asked
they said it didn't work in the newer versions.

I've been pouring over the Civil 3D help files. Hoping that it was included
in that program. I don't find anything. The Knowledge Base has 129 hits for
vertical. Non of them address this.

Oh well. CorpsCon here I come!

Thanks again
Allen

Anonymous · ‎02-26-2007

Unfortunately I can't update the Points in the drawing since they are
Softdesk point blocks. So I will have to reinsert them.

Allen

"James Murphy" wrote in message
news:5498614@discussion.autodesk.com...
For a New Yorker that was a pretty good method you came up with. : )

--

Murph
The world is not FLAT so why is your GIS data?
http://map3d.wordpress.com

"Allen Jessup" wrote in message
news:5498463@discussion.autodesk.com...
I stumbled across an interesting method of replacing the elevation. I use
CSV files for the point data. After running the conversion of the elevations
through CorpsCon. I noticed that the N,E decimal precision had dropped by
one place. I couldn't find any way to change this in CorpsCon. So I opened
both point files in Excel and pasted the new elevation in to the old file
and saved that as a new file. That gave me an Idea.

I opened the point database and pasted the new elevations in to the
appropriate column. I now have a point database with the metric elevations.
I also copied the Groups database from the imperial job to the metric job. I
can now insert the points with the new elevations to the appropriate layers.

I'm not recommending this method. I was very careful to make sure the points
were ordered by number in each file and visually checked that the resulting
point database matched the CorpsCon export file in key places.

BTW I think Corpscon is great. It tool all of 2 second to convert the 5000
points from this job.

Allen

"Allen Jessup" wrote in message
news:5498340@discussion.autodesk.com...
I've been down this road before. All the way to NH. It was difficult to even
get them to admit that it could not be done. I posted it as a wish more than
once.

Yes. My reseller is a good resource. You quote them every post. But they
can't make the program do what autodesk hasn't built it to do. There was
supposed to be a registry hack to accomplish this. But last time I asked
they said it didn't work in the newer versions.

I've been pouring over the Civil 3D help files. Hoping that it was included
in that program. I don't find anything. The Knowledge Base has 129 hits for
vertical. Non of them address this.

Oh well. CorpsCon here I come!

Thanks again
Allen

Anonymous · ‎02-26-2007

One more note. Points Queried in link to the new database and have the
correct elevation tied to the point. I inserted point makers only in the
imperial drawing and queried them in to the metric.

Allen

"Allen Jessup" wrote in message
news:5499977@discussion.autodesk.com...
Unfortunately I can't update the Points in the drawing since they are
Softdesk point blocks. So I will have to reinsert them.

Allen

"James Murphy" wrote in message
news:5498614@discussion.autodesk.com...
For a New Yorker that was a pretty good method you came up with. : )

--

Murph
The world is not FLAT so why is your GIS data?
http://map3d.wordpress.com

"Allen Jessup" wrote in message
news:5498463@discussion.autodesk.com...
I stumbled across an interesting method of replacing the elevation. I use
CSV files for the point data. After running the conversion of the elevations
through CorpsCon. I noticed that the N,E decimal precision had dropped by
one place. I couldn't find any way to change this in CorpsCon. So I opened
both point files in Excel and pasted the new elevation in to the old file
and saved that as a new file. That gave me an Idea.

I opened the point database and pasted the new elevations in to the
appropriate column. I now have a point database with the metric elevations.
I also copied the Groups database from the imperial job to the metric job. I
can now insert the points with the new elevations to the appropriate layers.

I'm not recommending this method. I was very careful to make sure the points
were ordered by number in each file and visually checked that the resulting
point database matched the CorpsCon export file in key places.

BTW I think Corpscon is great. It tool all of 2 second to convert the 5000
points from this job.

Allen

"Allen Jessup" wrote in message
news:5498340@discussion.autodesk.com...
I've been down this road before. All the way to NH. It was difficult to even
get them to admit that it could not be done. I posted it as a wish more than
once.

Yes. My reseller is a good resource. You quote them every post. But they
can't make the program do what autodesk hasn't built it to do. There was
supposed to be a registry hack to accomplish this. But last time I asked
they said it didn't work in the newer versions.

I've been pouring over the Civil 3D help files. Hoping that it was included
in that program. I don't find anything. The Knowledge Base has 129 hits for
vertical. Non of them address this.

Oh well. CorpsCon here I come!

Thanks again
Allen

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