Build TIN from Roadway not work

[annw2]

About half the time when I use the Build TIN from roadway function in Civil 2004, it refuses to work.

I then import the 3d Poly lines, define as breaklines. Terrain model explorer says the breaklines are there, but refuses to build the model. It appears to build, then says TIN not built.

Anyone try in the Civil 3D yet? From what I can tell, they made it MUCH more complicated. I am leary to upgrade when ADesk couldn't get the SIMPLE way to work first.

[Don Reichle]

Hey Ann;

I have to ask if you may be "limiting" the elevations you need out of the process?

On the Properties for that particular Surface check the elevation range for the "elevation less than" and "elevation greater than" windows to make sure you're not excluding the range necessary for the TME Model.

See attached.

HTH

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[Anonymous]

Hi Don Hi Ann;

I had experience like this: If section lines overlap as it goes around a
curve the Road out put fails. Locate the offending station, reprocess and
rebuild. It worked in my case.

Joe



wrote in message news:5103624@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hey Ann;

I have to ask if you may be "limiting" the elevations you need out of the
process?

On the Properties for that particular Surface check the elevation range for
the "elevation less than" and "elevation greater than" windows to make sure
you're not excluding the range necessary for the TME Model.

See attached.

HTH

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[annw2]

Absolutely not.

In any case how would this affect the Build model from road function under Cross Sections.

[annw2]

For my 2 ft bottom width swales this is often the case. That is when I bring in the 3d polyines and try the long way. I cut the poly lines before where they cross & start a new surface. It seems to build, then says "Model" not built. No error messages.

I also have lots of problems with file lock ups and files growing drastically in size when generating contours. Wblocks of just the contours will result in files just a fraction of the size.

[Anonymous]

I wish I took notes when it happend to me! Identical problem.

the poly lines are fron pcodes, right?

have you restarted you work station since this problem?

Joe


wrote in message news:5104289@discussion.autodesk.com...
For my 2 ft bottom width swales this is often the case. That is when I
bring in the 3d polyines and try the long way. I cut the poly lines before
where they cross & start a new surface. It seems to build, then says
"Model" not built. No error messages.

I also have lots of problems with file lock ups and files growing
drastically in size when generating contours. Wblocks of just the contours
will result in files just a fraction of the size.

[Anonymous]

Are these "contours" simply polylines, or Civil Contour Objects?

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wrote in message news:5104289@discussion.autodesk.com...
For my 2 ft bottom width swales this is often the case. That is when I
bring in the 3d polyines and try the long way. I cut the poly lines before
where they cross & start a new surface. It seems to build, then says
"Model" not built. No error messages.

I also have lots of problems with file lock ups and files growing
drastically in size when generating contours. Wblocks of just the contours
will result in files just a fraction of the size.

[annw2]

Yes. I use the catch point pcode that comes standard with all templates and the catch point code.

I ran the point code tutorial this morning. What a joke. Absolutely nothing about how to really use the codes. Plus from what I can tell from the template in the tutorial, you can't use point codes for sub assemblies. What is the point of having the sub assemblies then?

This has happened more than once. I did reboot. I think it was also after I switched from XP Home edition to Pro.

I think the Home was causing a lot of previous file problems.

[annw2]

I don't dare use the Civil contour items. Last place I worked, about 4 years ag,o one of the other engineers said that as far as he could determine, the function of contour objects was to corrupt CAD files. They kept coming up 'not parrallel to UCS' until exploded to poly lines.

Autodesk doesn't seem to want to acknowledge them either as you can't FILTER for them.

Our CAD staff refuses to use the contour label functions anyway.

As it is, I have so many corrupt files, they refuse to take a CAD file from me. I think it is the grading & template functions as I am the only one I know who actually uses them.

[Anonymous]

snip> What is the point of having the sub assemblies then?

You've discovered why I've never figured out their attraction either.

I appreciate being able to use the Point Codes, especially in conjunction
with generating Breaklines for the FG and FG Excav surfaces.

I'm sure someone will be along shortly to inform us regarding what we've
missed out on.

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wrote in message news:5104341@discussion.autodesk.com...
Yes. I use the catch point pcode that comes standard with all templates and
the catch point code.

I ran the point code tutorial this morning. What a joke. Absolutely
nothing about how to really use the codes. Plus from what I can tell from
the template in the tutorial, you can't use point codes for sub assemblies.
What is the point of having the sub assemblies then?

This has happened more than once. I did reboot. I think it was also after
I switched from XP Home edition to Pro.

I think the Home was causing a lot of previous file problems.

[Anonymous]

I've just recently switched from advocating their non-use to advocating
their use.

What lead to the reversal was discovering the use of switching "instantly"
(well, within minutes anyway) from one Scale to another.

I was recently working on an airport Hangar which was going to need 20 Scale
grading plans for the automobile parking area, while the Tarmac and Drainage
Channel would be well-shown in 40 Scale.

Piece o' cake for the CCOs. Only one set was necessary to cover both uses. I
would have spent twice as much time (read $) in attempting the same with
polylines.

My memory still includes how much more size CCOs add to the dwg, but in
conjunction with abilities - No brainer.

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wrote in message news:5104344@discussion.autodesk.com...
I don't dare use the Civil contour items. Last place I worked, about 4
years ag,o one of the other engineers said that as far as he could
determine, the function of contour objects was to corrupt CAD files. They
kept coming up 'not parrallel to UCS' until exploded to poly lines.

Autodesk doesn't seem to want to acknowledge them either as you can't FILTER
for them.

Our CAD staff refuses to use the contour label functions anyway.

As it is, I have so many corrupt files, they refuse to take a CAD file from
me. I think it is the grading & template functions as I am the only one I
know who actually uses them.

[Anonymous]

Good morning Don.

Is this auto scaling new to 2006? 2004 you have to make 2 sets for two
scales?

How are you doing this?

Joe

"Don Reichle" wrote in message
news:5104409@discussion.autodesk.com...
I've just recently switched from advocating their non-use to advocating
their use.

What lead to the reversal was discovering the use of switching "instantly"
(well, within minutes anyway) from one Scale to another.

I was recently working on an airport Hangar which was going to need 20 Scale
grading plans for the automobile parking area, while the Tarmac and Drainage
Channel would be well-shown in 40 Scale.

Piece o' cake for the CCOs. Only one set was necessary to cover both uses. I
would have spent twice as much time (read $) in attempting the same with
polylines.

My memory still includes how much more size CCOs add to the dwg, but in
conjunction with abilities - No brainer.

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than training your staff,
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wrote in message news:5104344@discussion.autodesk.com...
I don't dare use the Civil contour items. Last place I worked, about 4
years ag,o one of the other engineers said that as far as he could
determine, the function of contour objects was to corrupt CAD files. They
kept coming up 'not parrallel to UCS' until exploded to poly lines.

Autodesk doesn't seem to want to acknowledge them either as you can't FILTER
for them.

Our CAD staff refuses to use the contour label functions anyway.

As it is, I have so many corrupt files, they refuse to take a CAD file from
me. I think it is the grading & template functions as I am the only one I
know who actually uses them.

[annw2]

I would probably agree also if rest of staff would use the labeling functions of contour objects.

But how do you keep the files from corrupting?

We (I) have consistent problems with contours creating massive jump in file size. 2 sucessive Wblocks will cut the size to about 30% of original. & that is only with poly lines.

[Anonymous]

I'm waiting for the ability to digitize them with curves that I agree with.

Or even more likely; I'm waiting until I move to Civil3D.

"Don Reichle" wrote in message
news:5104409@discussion.autodesk.com...
I've just recently switched from advocating their non-use to advocating
their use.

[Anonymous]

I go to the dwg that contains the CCOs, and then change the Scale tab inside
Projects>Drawing Setup to what I need. After that a Regenall, and I'm done.

Test that out in 2K4 - maybe you really only need one set of CCOs?

And of course this operation would need to be repeated just prior to opening
the respective dwg files for plotting purposes.

But you should remember that CCOs add size to the dwg file, unless you got
through this scenario from the Knowledge Base;
http://tinyurl.com/kyowr

And special care must be taken when transmitting data to those w/o LDT.

I noticed about a month ago that eTransmit has "accommodations" to handle
this with 2K6 - Explode AEC Objects. I don't know how far back those
accommodations extend into earlier releases.

HTH

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"Joe Bouza" wrote in message
news:5104655@discussion.autodesk.com...
Good morning Don.

Is this auto scaling new to 2006? 2004 you have to make 2 sets for two
scales?

How are you doing this?

Joe

"Don Reichle" wrote in message
news:5104409@discussion.autodesk.com...
I've just recently switched from advocating their non-use to advocating
their use.

What lead to the reversal was discovering the use of switching "instantly"
(well, within minutes anyway) from one Scale to another.

I was recently working on an airport Hangar which was going to need 20 Scale
grading plans for the automobile parking area, while the Tarmac and Drainage
Channel would be well-shown in 40 Scale.

Piece o' cake for the CCOs. Only one set was necessary to cover both uses. I
would have spent twice as much time (read $) in attempting the same with
polylines.

My memory still includes how much more size CCOs add to the dwg, but in
conjunction with abilities - No brainer.

--
Don Reichle
"The only thing worse
than training your staff,
and having them leave is -
not training your staff,
and having them stay."
Courtesy Graphics Solution Providers
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Nvidia GeForce2 Ti 64MB


wrote in message news:5104344@discussion.autodesk.com...
I don't dare use the Civil contour items. Last place I worked, about 4
years ag,o one of the other engineers said that as far as he could
determine, the function of contour objects was to corrupt CAD files. They
kept coming up 'not parrallel to UCS' until exploded to poly lines.

Autodesk doesn't seem to want to acknowledge them either as you can't FILTER
for them.

Our CAD staff refuses to use the contour label functions anyway.

As it is, I have so many corrupt files, they refuse to take a CAD file from
me. I think it is the grading & template functions as I am the only one I
know who actually uses them.

[Don Reichle]

The curves may not be "perfect", but would they "suffice"?

And certainly as good as "most" D9 operators can accomplish. 🙂

See attached.

They came from "chorded" Breaklines - depending on curve radius the chords can go as small as 0.25 foot if needed. For most 25 foot curb returns, 2 foot interval is what I've been using.

HTH

[Anonymous]

I will use contour objects for existing grades, mostly because they don't
need to be edited once they are set. But I prefer polylines for proposed
grades.

I require the ability to digitize (trace) contours from other plans or
markups, or even just place them by hand in areas where it is quicker for me
to do so. I can lay a sweetly-curved polyline down that matches the
original far quicker than trying to use a contour object.

I've been "hand" grading for so many years, that it is still the more
efficient way for me to do things. I recently completed the grading for a
200+ townhouse development with a church and hospital on a 100 acre tract
with an incredible amount of topography relief (I'm in hill country). I
used LDT to generate contours for the roadways, but the rest I did by
"hand". Setting up grading objects, breaklines, etc would have taken me
longer because this site had no real redundancy that could exploit that kind
of thing.

I imagine I will change my ways for Civil3D, but for now, I'll stick with
polylines for my proposed grading.

Zigzaggy contours drive me nuts too, I can't put them on a final plan. Call
me Mr. Fussy.


--
Doug K

wrote in message news:5104941@discussion.autodesk.com...
The curves may not be "perfect", but would they "suffice"?

And certainly as good as "most" D9 operators can accomplish. 🙂

See attached.

They came from "chorded" Breaklines - depending on curve radius the chords
can go as small as 0.25 foot if needed. For most 25 foot curb returns, 2
foot interval is what I've been using.

HTH

[annw2]

I get yelled at a lot for trying to grade parking lots via aligments & the jaggy contours.

Our use is one of the big reasons that upgrading to Cvil 3D scares me. It looks like 3D locks you in to just generic templates that would be USELESS for parking lots.

I have to use a combination of methods.