I have to issue drawings to our clients in dwg format. When copying them out of the ACE project folder they are meaningless to a client unless we manually rename each file in the project manager beforehand to include the sheet number and/or drawing number of the completed and correctly ordered project as a prefix/suffix. The customer has no way of looking at the sheets correctly ordered using the WDP project file/Autocad Electrical Project Manager.
So our options are:
1) to initially add the required prefix/suffix as you are building the project, but you risk having to manually rename each sheet if you have to insert one whilst the design progresses.
2) use a bit of external software like bulkrename utility. This is ok for a few files as you can look at the contents sheet and move them around into the correct order before adding the prefix (can only drag a single sheet aound at a time), but if you have hundreds of files this is impossible and extremely time consuming.
I believe this issue should be quite common and am hoping that someone out there has an answer . Our subscription provider CADLine has advise that there is nothing they can do to help out short of quoting us to write a bit of software to acheive. To me it seems a simple thing to add to Autocad Electrical, but since I believe we requested it in 2009/2010 through their wish list system, I can only assume there are not many who have this issue. It would be great to hear your thoughts.
Hi I have been told that CADline have opened a support case on the subject - Case 08548620 - Drawing Filename Rename
One option that you might consider is creating and sending the drawings as an AutoCAD Sheet Set. This would give your customers a similar experience to what you have within Project Manager but by using a feature that is part of core AutoCAD. I didn't know if you had considered this, but thought I would share as it could be a possible solutions.
I see several options.....
1 - request a set of dwg Nos from the client beforehand as part of the contract negotiations.
2 - Seperate the filename from the client drawing number.
3 - Provide a Drawing List Report along with the dwgs. This gives information from within the dwgs in a list.
4 - Break up the dwgs into groups
We have our own dwg number system for our projects and ties into our quality control system but occasionally clients request we use their numbers. In this case, we have a seperate field to fill in on the title block that shows the client dwg number.
Dwg List reports can show various attributes from the title block including the dwg descriptions.
We also break our dwgs into groups as we do multiple panels for HV switchboards. Each panel has a dwg number assigned and then sheet numbers for each page within the dwg set. Our file name and dwg number then looks like this - 'PROJECT-DWG-SHT' with a seperate area on the title block showing 'Sheet of Max Sheets' . The Sheet in the second area is actually a field that picks the data up from the SHT in the dwg number. If I have to add a sheet to a dwg set, it is usually only about 4 or 5 sheets that need to be adjusted.
I'm using ACE 2012. I draw all Electrical content in model space and place my border in paper space. Works great.
I use Project Manager and Sheet Set Manager (SSM) at the same time, for the same project, and same drawings. SSM allows for subsets within a project.
I will continue to use SSM until we upgrade to ACE 2014. In ACE 2014, Project Manager has subset functionality.
Hi thanks for your in depth response. Sorry for the delay in my reponse wanted to go through your post and see the best options for us.
We build single form 4 control panels with multiple seperate compartments, and the project can sometimes be up to 500-900 sheets. The drawings are numerical with no possibility of breaking into seperate sets without making updating/renumbering and issue.
At present until ACE gets the functionality to rename the dwg files based on the atribute sheet values, I believe the best method would be as you suggest to seperate descriptions and drawing numbers from the filename and use the ACE project manager drawing list display configuration to show the details of the drawings whilst working in the project.
Adding a sheet will still be a bit of a problem, but I could use a project number_sheet value with a decimal such as a P6834_001.0 , P6834_002.0 , P6834_003.0 for the first three files (where P6824 is my project number), which leaves me the ability to add an additional drawing P6834_002.1 without renumbering all the dwg filenames in the ACE project. After the project is complete and when issuing the drawings to the client they will be in order in explorer or the seperate renaming utility such as bulk rename, and this will allow for ease of renaming to match the sheet number values which is what we want. Bit of a workaround but doable.
I do have one issue though whereby we sometime search & copy compartments in explorer/bulk rename (paticularily from our standard drawing set) when creating new projects to reduce design time. Without descriptions this would be a longer process as I would have to view the descriptions in the ACE project manager and then copy externally via explorer/bulk rename before adding to the project. As you know ACE does not support copying multiple sheets at a time from the project manager which is also a bit of a limitation.
Thanks a million for your input much appreciated.
Regarding the bulk copy/rename of a project, have you tried doing that through AutoCAD Electrical with the "Copy Project" command? This command will allow you to choose the entire project to copy to a new one, or only certain drawings from the project if you wish...then during the copy process there is the ability to rename the drawings and even a find/replace text tool to help with some bulk rename options. If your not familiar with this feature, you can find it in the "Project Tools" panel of the "Project" tab in the ribbon. The actual command name is simply "Copy". Additionally, here is a link to more information found in the help file if you would like to learn more about the feature.
I hope this information is useful and helps!
Thanks Jared I am aware of the copy project command but it does not have the option to renumber all the sheets in numerically automatically. You have to edit each one with the new sheet number. It is however easier than renaming each in the project manager which is a bit finnicky and bounces around a bit, but I believe to acheive what I need it is easier to use bulk rename. Thanks a lot for your input though much appreciated.
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