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Wire Looping

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Anonymous
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Wire Looping

I was wondering as a way round looping in drawings i was thinking of hiding the loops with wire dots somehow, trouble is when you hide a wire it removes it from sequence.
I have also tried bringing wire loop closer together to make them look the same but any distance closer than "1" seems to tell it there all connected together.

Just wondered if anyone has tried what i am trying ?

Regards

Patrick
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Message 2 of 11
dougmcalexander
in reply to: Anonymous

Just go to Drawing Properties and turn off the loop feature. You can choose
a gap instead, or just let the wires cross with no symbol of any kind added.

wrote in message news:5941942@discussion.autodesk.com...
I was wondering as a way round looping in drawings i was thinking of hiding
the loops with wire dots somehow, trouble is when you hide a wire it removes
it from sequence.
I have also tried bringing wire loop closer together to make them look the
same but any distance closer than "1" seems to tell it there all connected
together.

Just wondered if anyone has tried what i am trying ?

Regards

Patrick


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Message 3 of 11
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Yeah thanks but wasn't what i had in mind i know about crossing wires but i'm describing joining wires where there is an option of dots,wire tees etc...

regards

Patrick Lee
Message 4 of 11
dougmcalexander
in reply to: Anonymous

Okay I'm confused. You referred to wire loops. The loops are used when
wires cross. For tees you have an option of dot, nothing, or IEC style
angles.

wrote in message news:5942972@discussion.autodesk.com...
Yeah thanks but wasn't what i had in mind i know about crossing wires but
i'm describing joining wires where there is an option of dots,wire tees
etc...

regards

Patrick Lee


Doug McAlexander


Design Engineer/Consultant/Instructor/Mentor specializing in AutoCAD Electrical training and implementation support

Phone and Web-based Support Plans Available

Phone: (770) 841-8009

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Message 5 of 11
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

basically my problem is this, we can't get the wire sequencing to work properly with dots no matter what we do (tried everything !!), we can't use angled connections as it is deemed as looking messy.

So i was thinking of using an alternative like either hiding the angled connections or scaling them down to look like a single wire ?

Regards

Patrick Lee
Message 6 of 11
dougmcalexander
in reply to: Anonymous

Interesting. I have never had an issue with wire sequencing, even using
dots. My wire list always matches the sequences I establish in the
drawings. This is when I am required to use dots. I usually just angle a
second wire off the component so the schematic becomes a wiring diagram.
The Europeans prefer the angled wire symbols in place of the dots because
they are not messy yet they still convey the wiring sequence. I worked for
a European company for 12 years and thus the angled tees are a common method
for me. I still do contract work for my previous employer; all in IEC
format.

Starting with AcadE 2008 if you insert angled tee symbols you do not need
define a wire sequence for the network; in fact you should not because if
you do it overrides the angled tees. The orientation of the angled tee sets
the sequence. It works great and is even somewhat improved in 2009. It
handles more complex networks like the ones in the attached sample drawing I
use for my AcadE training course.

I hope you find a method that will work for your situation.

wrote in message news:5944235@discussion.autodesk.com...
basically my problem is this, we can't get the wire sequencing to work
properly with dots no matter what we do (tried everything !!), we can't use
angled connections as it is deemed as looking messy.

So i was thinking of using an alternative like either hiding the angled
connections or scaling them down to look like a single wire ?

Regards

Patrick Lee


Doug McAlexander


Design Engineer/Consultant/Instructor/Mentor specializing in AutoCAD Electrical training and implementation support

Phone and Web-based Support Plans Available

Phone: (770) 841-8009

www.linkedin.com/in/doug-mcalexander-1a77623




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Message 7 of 11
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

A couple of questions for you...

Are you setting the wire sequence at all?
Are you inserting a terminal diagram?

Regards Brad

wrote in message news:5944235@discussion.autodesk.com...
basically my problem is this, we can't get the wire sequencing to work
properly with dots no matter what we do (tried everything !!), we can't use
angled connections as it is deemed as looking messy.

So i was thinking of using an alternative like either hiding the angled
connections or scaling them down to look like a single wire ?

Regards

Patrick Lee
Message 8 of 11
dougmcalexander
in reply to: Anonymous

I seldom define a wire sequence for my work. I use the angled wire symbol
in AcadE 2008 and 2009 and press the space bar until the orientation matches
the sequence I want. If I need two wires of a different type to connect to
the same component terminal, I just connect them both directly. I do insert
graphical terminal strip and they match the schematic exactly. (see
attached)

Note: Do not define a wire sequence if you are going to use angled wire
symbols. The wire sequence definition will override the angled wire
symbols.


"Brad Coleman" wrote in message
news:5945566@discussion.autodesk.com...
A couple of questions for you...

Are you setting the wire sequence at all?
Are you inserting a terminal diagram?

Regards Brad

wrote in message news:5944235@discussion.autodesk.com...
basically my problem is this, we can't get the wire sequencing to work
properly with dots no matter what we do (tried everything !!), we can't use
angled connections as it is deemed as looking messy.

So i was thinking of using an alternative like either hiding the angled
connections or scaling them down to look like a single wire ?

Regards

Patrick Lee


Doug McAlexander


Design Engineer/Consultant/Instructor/Mentor specializing in AutoCAD Electrical training and implementation support

Phone and Web-based Support Plans Available

Phone: (770) 841-8009

www.linkedin.com/in/doug-mcalexander-1a77623




Please Accept as Solution if I helped you. Likes are also much appreciated.
Message 9 of 11
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Yeah we are limited to just using dots which is a shame somtimes there is 3 connections coming to one dot and wire sequence doesn't work, our main problem with sequencing came when there were more than one terminal in a circuit. As we just wanted the terminals to show 1 connection each side, but it was giving us 2 or 3 instead of sharing the connection between components it was dumping them all on the terminal if that makes any
sense.
Sometimes we had the problem fixed go back into project make a modification and the same problem persists.

Regards

Patrick Lee
Message 10 of 11
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

There is a known issue with using the TSE and wire sequences.
The TSE adds data to one of the attributes in the terminals which
has the affect of making the terminals act as though it is wired
as a 'Direct To Terminal' sequence. This happens in both 2008
and 2009 versions. Pat Murnen has verified this and has taken
the problem to the programmers. As yet no resolution has been
reached.

The only work around's I have found are

1) Don't use the TSE until the circuit has been approved.

2) If you have to use the TSE, redo all sequences that go through
terminals before running the TSE each time. (Time waster I know but it
works)

When using the wire sequencing tool, use the 'Pick Mode' to define the
sequence,
as that will not worry about the number of wires connecting at dots.

Regards Brad

wrote in message news:5946795@discussion.autodesk.com...
Yeah we are limited to just using dots which is a shame somtimes there is 3
connections coming to one dot and wire sequence doesn't work, our main
problem with sequencing came when there were more than one terminal in a
circuit. As we just wanted the terminals to show 1 connection each side, but
it was giving us 2 or 3 instead of sharing the connection between components
it was dumping them all on the terminal if that makes any
sense.
Sometimes we had the problem fixed go back into project make a modification
and the same problem persists.

Regards

Patrick Lee
Message 11 of 11
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Brad,

As I have stated in other threads, I haven't verified any specific issue
with TSE and wire sequencing. You have sent us some drawings and the
developers are looking at them. I am not the expert on TSE and wire
sequencing so I have passed along what you sent to the appropriate people
here. I know it is taking some time but we haven't forgotten about it.

The xdata added by TSE is to maintain the order of multiple connections to a
particular terminal. As a test when this issue was first raised I tried
removing some of the xdata added to see if it affected the wire sequncing.
It seemed to affect it but wasn't the complete answer. This was more of a
troubleshooting step in trying to narrow down what was happening. I am not
saying there is no issue, just that it hasn't been verified or pin pointed.
When there is new information we will post it on this newsgroup.

Pat Murnen


"Brad Coleman" wrote in message
news:5947769@discussion.autodesk.com...
There is a known issue with using the TSE and wire sequences.
The TSE adds data to one of the attributes in the terminals which
has the affect of making the terminals act as though it is wired
as a 'Direct To Terminal' sequence. This happens in both 2008
and 2009 versions. Pat Murnen has verified this and has taken
the problem to the programmers. As yet no resolution has been
reached.

The only work around's I have found are

1) Don't use the TSE until the circuit has been approved.

2) If you have to use the TSE, redo all sequences that go through
terminals before running the TSE each time. (Time waster I know but it
works)

When using the wire sequencing tool, use the 'Pick Mode' to define the
sequence,
as that will not worry about the number of wires connecting at dots.

Regards Brad

wrote in message news:5946795@discussion.autodesk.com...
Yeah we are limited to just using dots which is a shame somtimes there is 3
connections coming to one dot and wire sequence doesn't work, our main
problem with sequencing came when there were more than one terminal in a
circuit. As we just wanted the terminals to show 1 connection each side, but
it was giving us 2 or 3 instead of sharing the connection between components
it was dumping them all on the terminal if that makes any
sense.
Sometimes we had the problem fixed go back into project make a modification
and the same problem persists.

Regards

Patrick Lee

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