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dougmcalexander
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Fan-in Fan-out tutorial

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11-15-2006 09:42 PM
I teach AutoCAD Electrical as in independent consultant in the U.S. and Europe. Everywhere I go there seems to be confusion about implementing the fan-in and fan-out cable feature. I am attaching a drawing I use in class to illustrate applying this tool to a 3-wire cable that connects a proximity sensor on a machine to a terminal strip in a junction box. There are notes on the drawing to explain how it works. I am posting this is a service to those who may appreciate clarification on this issue.
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Re: Fan-in Fan-out tutorial

11-16-2006 05:31 AM in reply to: dougmcalexander
Thanks doug,

So the vertical 'wire' is not on a wire layer? Seems odd that the fan in/out tool uses a non-wire layer.
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Re: Fan-in Fan-out tutorial

11-16-2006 06:37 AM in reply to: dougmcalexander
The vertical "line" is inserted last. As you insert the fan-out sources for example, the program automatically changes the wire segments on the right from layer CABLE_CONDUCTOR to layer _MULTI_WIRE. This is built into the code. Click on Drawing Properties and go to the Styles tab. You will see the name of the layer under the Fan-in Fan-out preferences area. The default is _MULTI_WIRE.

Okay, so as you insert the sources you give them a code of something (whatever you want to call them). These codes are simply what connects the source wires to the destination wires. But if you want to see something useful in the gap below the wire number (potential number) type this in under description. I used V+, V-, and SIG, but you can type whatever makes sense for the function of the cable conductor in your circuit. The help system has you assign a color description, but since I am going to insert cable markers to indicate color, I used the description field of the fan-out sources and fan-in destinations to indicate function (i.e. V+, V-, and SIG). The help system has you insert one parent cable marker in the _MULTI_WIRE line, assign MFG and CAT and blank out the color field. This gets the cable into the BOM and even on the wire list, but it doesn't get the cable wire colors into the from/to list. When you generate your from/to list, be sure to move at least the CBL, CBLWC, CBLMFG, and CBLCAT fields into your report using the Change Report Format button at the lower right of the report generator dialog. You will now see the cable tag, cable wire colors, cable manufacturer, and cable part number n your from/to list. I renamed my fields after moving them into the report format, but that is optional. I will attach a photo of my wire from/to report.

Note: The reason you must wait until after you insert the fan-out sources (also fan-in destinations) to add the vertical "line" is because you could create a dead short across the cable conductors, depending upon what layer you have set to current. Just insert last and place it on the _MULTI_WIRE layer, the same as the "lines" to the right of the fan-out sources or left of the fan-in destinations.

The reason I use a stand-alone cross-reference instead of the standard arrow is that a stand-alone can attach to the end of a line that is not a valid wire. It serves the same purpose, directing me to the other half of the cable.
Doug McAlexander
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Re: Fan-in Fan-out tutorial

11-16-2006 06:56 AM in reply to: dougmcalexander
I spotted an error in the first drawing I attached. Some of the explanation text was pointing to the wrong place and there was no part number assigned to the destination end of the CBL742. Use this one instead.
Doug McAlexander
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Re: Fan-in Fan-out tutorial

02-26-2009 09:34 PM in reply to: dougmcalexander
Dough,
I followed this tutorial it was good to underestand total idea of this tool. But problem is when I want to make a Wire from/to report under CBLWC which should be wire color I assigned to core it comes with signal code of that wire!
did you ever seen that?

Many thanks
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Re: Fan-in Fan-out tutorial

02-28-2009 10:38 AM in reply to: dougmcalexander
I've not seen that. The wire colors are picked up from the cable markers. The wires themselves appear on the wire list under WLAY1 (wire type) as Cable_Conductor. The CBLWC is whatever color you select or enter in the Edit Component dialog for the cable marker. See attached.
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Re: Fan-in Fan-out tutorial

03-02-2009 05:19 PM in reply to: dougmcalexander
I had a frustrating time during last couple of days struggling to figure out what is happening here in my project but I couldn't. I attached a print screen of my drawing and a sample report of that. As you can see I have some signal source/Destinations ( like ESL, EA, ESD,ESR-A) and some cables which are duplicated with what I have on the other side ( thats what I understood from your way of doing this things). Parent cable's color/ID is empty and child symbols have R and BK colors.
As you can see in report CBLWC shows my signal Descriptions not my wire colors. Edited by: saeedj on Mar 3, 2009 1:22 PM
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Re: Fan-in Fan-out tutorial

03-03-2009 09:02 AM in reply to: dougmcalexander

It appears that you have two cable markers on the
same wire.  The parent cable marker should also have a wire color. 
See -1W3B in my previous screen shot example.  The parent also carries
the MFG and CAT assignment.  I would have to see the actual drawing to know
for certain what is going on, but your drawing doesn't appear to match the
example I posted.  The wire to the right of the fan-in/outs should be on
layer Multi_wire.  The wire type listed for the cable cores should be
Cable_Conductor.  Your fan-in/out signals don't look correct either. 
If you can post the drawing I will take a look at it and see what I can
determine.


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
I
had a frustrating time during last couple of days struggling to figure out
what is happening here in my project but I couldn't. I attached a print screen
of my drawing and a sample report of that. As you can see I have some signal
source/Destinations ( like ESL, EA, ESD,ESR-A) and some cables which are
duplicated with what I have on the other side ( thats what I understood from
your way of doing this things). Parent cable's color/ID is empty and child
symbols have R and BK colors. As you can see in report CBLWC shows my signal
Descriptions not my wire colors. Edited by: saeedj on Mar 3, 2009 1:22 PM
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saeedj
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Re: Fan-in Fan-out tutorial

03-03-2009 02:34 PM in reply to: dougmcalexander
Hi Dough,
I attached two drawings which these cables are going across.
some information about them:
1- I put cable markers on the _Multi_Wire layer and I thought your cable_conductor layer is one of your wire layers. Is that right?

2- I have some customised blocks for fan In/Out which wire number is hidden. this is because we don't use standard wire numbers and we need just cable core numbers and signal descriptions.

3- I know symbols and way of showing terminals in termination page will be a bit odd for you but we are going from AutoCAD to ACE and company's policy is to minimize appearance change of drawings for now, as shop guys are get used to them.

I hope every thing is clear and many thanks for your help.

Cheers, Edited by: saeedj on Mar 4, 2009 9:54 AM
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Re: Fan-in Fan-out tutorial

03-03-2009 11:58 PM in reply to: dougmcalexander
I ran a wire list and the cable core colors appear in the report. However the wire layer is diplayed as Yellow_14_THHN though these wire types should be defined according to the cable. I use the Cable_Conductor layer or wire type to draw attention to the fact that the technician should look at the CBLWC column for the specific wire color assignment from the cable.

Another thing you need to do to make this work properly is only insert one parent cable marker per wire. There should not be a C12 marker and a separate R marker. Let the marker for the red wire be a parent and assign the MFG and CAT there. It will then appear in the wire list. Also don't put a cable marker on both sides. You should only put C12 abd C13 on either the source end or the destination end but not both.

I have attached a screen shot of the wire list as it displayed before I made any changes to the drawings. I will post again with a screen shot of the wire list after I made the corrections outlined above.
Doug McAlexander
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Web site: www.ECADConsultant.com
Phone: (770) 841-8009

Please Accept as Solution if I helped you. Kudos are also much appreciated.
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