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    *Jason

    force different annotation scale vs viewport scale

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    10-14-2009 12:08 PM
    I am trying display my annotation scale that is different than my viewport
    scale. Everytime I switch the viewport scale the annotation scale changes.
    Can I turn this relationship off?
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    *Joe Bouza

    Re: force different annotation scale vs viewport scale

    10-14-2009 12:23 PM in reply to: *Jason
    Why would you want to do this? Make a style that give you the height you
    want at the given scale, no?
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    *Jason

    Re: force different annotation scale vs viewport scale

    10-14-2009 12:29 PM in reply to: *Jason
    I am doing some field work and I want the survey points to appear larger on
    the print. Normally I can just switch this in the properties dialog box, but
    for some reason when I switch the annotation scale the viewport scale jumps
    up with it.


    "Joe Bouza" wrote in message
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    Why would you want to do this? Make a style that give you the height you
    want at the given scale, no?
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    *Expert Elite*
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    Re: force different annotation scale vs viewport scale

    10-14-2009 12:32 PM in reply to: *Jason
    I'm with Jason on this one. There are odd times that I need a 1"=50' VP but want to keep ALL of the annotation at a 1"=20' size.
    This is usually when I need multiple Viewports so I can't do it from model space. I don't want to have to change to different styles to do this. An override of some sort is needed.

    Bruce
    Bruce Klug
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    AutoCAD Civil 3D 2013 Certified Professional
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    C3D 2014 (Testing)
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    Registered: ‎10-12-2009

    Re: force different annotation scale vs viewport scale

    10-14-2009 12:39 PM in reply to: *Jason
    I believe that if you select the viewport and view the viewport properties, there are two settings there. One for annotative scale and one for viewport scale. The order in which you change them is important though. I believe you have to set your viewport scale first, then change the annotative scale second.
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    *Expert Elite*
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    Re: force different annotation scale vs viewport scale

    10-14-2009 12:53 PM in reply to: *Jason
    You can set the scales independently using ZOOM XP or CANNOSCALE, but we've found no benefit to doing so.

    The problem is that C3D labels use the VP scale, and ignore the CANNOSCALE. So you can get the values set differently, but the next time you regen your drawing, all the C3D labels will rescale themselves based on the viewport. To be able to do things like this, we really need C3D labels to scale based on the Annotation Scale, and not on the viewport scale.

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    Sinc
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    Re: force different annotation scale vs viewport scale

    10-14-2009 12:53 PM in reply to: *Jason
    I tried every combination I could think of when I first ran into this problem. I never could get those settings to change the text the way I wanted. After a regen the text ALWAYS matched the vp scale * .12 (for us). If you know the secret method I would like to try again.

    I hate telling co-workers "It can't be done"

    Thanks,
    Bruce
    Bruce Klug
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    Re: force different annotation scale vs viewport scale

    10-14-2009 12:55 PM in reply to: *Jason
    Dang Sinc,

    You type faster than me :smileyhappy:

    Bruce
    Bruce Klug
    AutoCAD Expert Elite
    AutoCAD Civil 3D 2013 Certified Professional
    C3D 2013 (SP1)
    C3D 2014 (Testing)
    Win 7 Pro, 64-bit
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    Re: force different annotation scale vs viewport scale

    10-14-2009 01:19 PM in reply to: *Jason
    The following method works for me in C3d 2008. I haven't tried it in other versions.

    Create the vport and set the scale to the annotative choice I want.
    From the Viewports toolbar, select or enter the vport scale I want.

    If I try this using the pulldowns at the bottom of the screen it will not work. Only the viewport toolbar process operates as desired.

    This results in a vport with two separate scales. If I change the annotative scale again, I have to repeat the process.
    The scales remain even after a close or regen/regenall.
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    *Expert Elite*
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    Re: force different annotation scale vs viewport scale

    10-14-2009 01:38 PM in reply to: *Jason
    Yes, the scales remain set that way, but C3D labels still scale according to the VP scale.

    The OP is trying to change the VP scale while having the labels on C3D points remain the same size relative to the linework. Unfortunately, this is currently impossible. Basically, the desire is to be able to select "Use Annotative Scale" as an option to resize points, rather than the option we currently have to "Use Drawing Scale" (which actually defaults to "Use Viewport Scale" in paperspace).

    -- Sinc
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    Sinc
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