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    Registered: ‎12-29-2006

    Watershed delineation

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    01-24-2007 01:09 PM
    I just tried using the watershed analysis routine. It left me somewhat confused. The model is in mountainous terrain and was developed from 24k contours. I would like to be able to pick a spot on the surface and have the software delineate the drainage basin discharging at this point. Can this be done?

    Steven C. Devin, P.E.
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    *Jason Hickey

    Re: Watershed delineation

    01-24-2007 02:26 PM in reply to: sdevin
    sdevin wrote:
    > I just tried using the watershed analysis routine. It left me
    > somewhat confused. The model is in mountainous terrain and was
    > developed from 24k contours. I would like to be able to pick a spot
    > on the surface and have the software delineate the drainage basin
    > discharging at this point. Can this be done?

    It's on the wishlist.

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    Jason Hickey

    Civil 3D 2007, SP3
    Dell Precision M70
    2 GIG RAM, 256 MB nVidia Quadro FX Go1400
    Intel Centrino 2 gHz Processor

    www.civil3d.com
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    *Laurie Comerford

    Re: Watershed delineation

    01-25-2007 02:04 AM in reply to: sdevin
    Hi Jason,

    On the wish list or not, it's a fantasy. Any one who tells you they can do
    it has no knowledge of TIN models.

    Unless you pick a point which is exactly on a line in the model where the
    two triangles on each side of the line slope towards the line forming a
    valley, the catchment area to a point is a line. And, as you know a line
    has zero area.

    You could make some sort a guess and get a catchment area which drains to
    the triangle which you pick - or some other convention such as an assumption
    of water depth at the point, or a nominal length of gutter at the point, but
    would you rely on something like this without knowing what the convention
    was and whether that would be realistic in the circumstances of your design?

    The watersheds defined for the TIN model are areas bound by "ridge lines" in
    the model. They are a guide to the user in as much as water from outside a
    catchment cannot get into the catchment because it would have to flow over a
    ridge line to do so.

    Obviously in practice, water in flat country can cross catchment boundaries
    as the water depth can exceed height of the ridge line above the invert in
    the catchment area.

    As an example of this, I once had to analyse a "maximum probable rainfall"
    event. A rail embankment varying from 3 to 7m high (nominally horizontal
    for the trains) ran across several valleys with 6m by 4m culverts at the
    valleys. These culverts were no where near adequate for the event I was
    analysing and water would have flowed between the valleys had the storm
    event occurred.

    At it's peak, it is likely the water would have flowed about a metre deep
    over the rail line over a length of about 6km and washed significant
    portions of the embankment away.

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    Laurie Comerford
    CADApps
    www.cadapps.com.au
    www.civil3Dtools.com
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    sdevin wrote:
    > I just tried using the watershed analysis routine. It left me
    > somewhat confused. The model is in mountainous terrain and was
    > developed from 24k contours. I would like to be able to pick a spot
    > on the surface and have the software delineate the drainage basin
    > discharging at this point. Can this be done?

    It's on the wishlist.

    --
    Jason Hickey

    Civil 3D 2007, SP3
    Dell Precision M70
    2 GIG RAM, 256 MB nVidia Quadro FX Go1400
    Intel Centrino 2 gHz Processor

    www.civil3d.com
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    Registered: ‎12-29-2006

    Re: Watershed delineation

    01-25-2007 08:26 AM in reply to: sdevin
    I believe that HEC-GeoHMS has some sort of routine for delineating watersheds. It pre-processes the surface model and burns in flowlines. It's been a while since I considered using that software package but I remember that this was one of the features that intrigued me especially for a large basin (>100 mi^2) with multiple sub-basins.
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    fcernst
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    Re: Watershed delineation

    12-19-2012 09:13 AM in reply to: *Laurie Comerford

    USGS StreamStats has a nice watershed delineation tool I use. I picked the outlet point at the top there where I drew the red arrow. It delineated this watershed in about 9 seconds. One pick... no tedious waterdrops required.

     

    I would like Autodesk to put an inquiry to the USGS about this technology for use in Civil 3D terrain models.

     

     

     

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    Fred Ernst, PE
    C3D 2013 SP1, C3D 2014
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    Re: Watershed delineation

    01-03-2013 06:24 PM in reply to: sdevin

    good software Aquaveo WMS 

     

     

     

     

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    Registered: ‎11-26-2008

    Re: Watershed delineation

    01-08-2013 09:26 AM in reply to: fcernst

    Fred --

     

    That looks like a really great tool...where is it on the Stream Stats website?

     

    Jason

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    johnm
    Posts: 1,708
    Registered: ‎11-13-2006

    Re: Watershed delineation

    01-08-2013 12:04 PM in reply to: rubaru

    It's the little black dot button. This is a great tool. We have have it in NJ for a couple of years now.

    John Mayo, PE
    C3D 2012, RD 2012
    Win 7 64, Core i7,
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    Joe-Bouza
    Posts: 3,303
    Registered: ‎12-15-2008

    Re: Watershed delineation

    01-08-2013 06:31 PM in reply to: johnm

    Hey John, Happy new year.

     

    Stream stats a tool to get?

     

    I have always understood watersheds to be nebulous so what about catchments?

    Thank you

    Joseph D. Bouza, P.E. (one of 'THOSE' People) Civil 3D 2012 & 2013
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    johnm
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    Registered: ‎11-13-2006

    Re: Watershed delineation

    01-09-2013 06:26 AM in reply to: Joe-Bouza

    Happy New Year Joe!

     

    Stream Stats is free. It is available in NY. Other users can check here to see if it's available.

    http://streamstats.usgs.gov/ssonline.html

     

    It's very nice. Just as Fred said. Click a point and the watershed is delineated. Peak flows for a range of storm events can also be computed for you.

     

     

    John Mayo, PE
    C3D 2012, RD 2012
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