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    neilyj
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    Creating an Assembly Offset

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    09-19-2012 01:06 PM

    I've just been looking at the Assemlby Offset but not sure what it is useful for - please can someone enlighten me???

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    Re: Creating an Assembly Offset

    09-19-2012 02:22 PM in reply to: neilyj

    With assembly offset and ETW target

    1.png

     

     

    With normal assembly, same target.

    2.png

     

    The offset needs its own alignemtn AND profile.  As you can see, you are not limited to your corridor sections being perpendicular to the baseline alignment, instead they are perpendicular to the target alignment.

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    Re: Creating an Assembly Offset

    09-19-2012 03:31 PM in reply to: mathewk

    Very nice pictures, thanks for creating those.  What happens in the small gaps at the beginning and end of the offset region when you make a corridor FG surface?

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    Re: Creating an Assembly Offset

    09-19-2012 03:35 PM in reply to: jeff_rivers

    I'm not sure why I don't have more sections near those gaps, but any surface would just triangulate across those areas.  There's a chance you'd have to swap a few edges to make the TIN correct.

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    Re: Creating an Assembly Offset

    09-20-2012 12:56 AM in reply to: mathewk

    Thanks for this - I've never really looked at assembly offsets before as never had any need...:smileyhappy:

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    Re: Creating an Assembly Offset

    09-20-2012 06:43 AM in reply to: neilyj

    I don't know if this has been fixed in 12 or 13 but in 11 you are not able to extract a feature line from an offset assembly and maintain dynamic connection to the corridor.

     

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    Thank you for your update. That is part of the issue. You seem to be creating feature lines (links) with the offset assembly. The issue is that program is not able to create the feature line. I hope this will be fixed in the near future. Unfortunately I have no information when.

     

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    Re: Creating an Assembly Offset

    11-13-2012 06:52 AM in reply to: mathewk

     

    Please program Civil 3D to have the capability to recognize that the subassemblies that are outside of a transitioning alignment have to be oriented perpendicular to that transitioning alignment for correct surface triangulation.

     

    Users now have to go through the extra work to set up an Offset Assembly, come up with a clever Profile scenario, (or a MarkedPoint configuration)  just to realize proper triangulation that should be occurring in the first place.

     

    Then the user has to keep the above mentioned extra Corridor, Assembly, Profile or MarkedPoint,  overhead in mind for the duration of the project. This type of non-elegant overhead unnecessarily detracts from the good aspects of Civil 3D.

     

    Super elevation axis of rotation is not supported with Offset Asemblies. Therefore, how does one get proper triangulation outside of the LaneSuperelevationAOR subassembly with superelevation?

     

     

    Thanks

    Fred

     

     

     

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    Re: Creating an Assembly Offset

    11-13-2012 07:43 AM in reply to: jeff_rivers

    These are probably due to the offset value between the channel line and the widening offset alignment being too small or zero, I get this a lot.

     

    Instead of assembly offsets insert a different subassembly or you could use a conditional "Target found" subassembly in this region as I do.

     

    If you then allow the two regions to overwrite each other by a small ammount or until they are perpendicular to the master alignment then you can erase the underlying subassemblies and you will have the gaps filled and ready for setting out (NB: a carefully positioned second conditional target found would also do this instead of edits).

     

    Obviously you still need to provide a profile for the offset alignment but the outside edges will be correct.

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