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Does anyone actually like yearly releases?

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01-15-2012 07:58 PM

I'm seriious.  These yearly releases do nothing but cause me never-ending grief.

 

If there's anyone out there who REALLY LIKES these yearly release, then please respond, and give an exact reason as to why you think they work.  Also, let us know EXACTLY how large your deployments are, and whether or not you do any customizatiions (such as custom Toolbox Reports, custom Subassemblies, etc.)

 

I, for one, am going insane over these yearly releases that are only minor improvements, yet simultaneously break tons of things, and create a huge IT headacke with little gain for our productive teams..

Sinc
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Re: Does anyone actually like yearly releases?

01-17-2012 04:08 AM in reply to: Sinc

The value of the yearly releases probably depends on the discipline you are using it for. For transportation work they are needed to fix the shortcomings of the product where we can actually use it for major road work.

 

For other disciplines, the changes coming out may not be applicable.

Mike Robertson
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Re: Does anyone actually like yearly releases?

01-18-2012 07:16 AM in reply to: Sinc
I like the yearly upgrades, well I did when I was in production. I have a moderate amount of customization. It was never a problem to do the change over: no IT headache, definitely not "huge". The customization went smoothly. Yes, there are always a few surprizes along the way with regard to features but we always worked through them without too much hassle.

I just like to work with the new features.

Keep 'em coming.
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Re: Does anyone actually like yearly releases?

01-19-2012 01:07 AM in reply to: mathewk

mathewk wrote:
I like the yearly upgrades, well I did when I was in production. I have a moderate amount of customization. It was never a problem to do the change over: no IT headache, definitely not "huge". The customization went smoothly. Yes, there are always a few surprizes along the way with regard to features but we always worked through them without too much hassle.

I just like to work with the new features.

Keep 'em coming.

Interesting.

 

I work with C3D as a C3D tech.  I also work as a C3D plug-in provider.

 

I see many headaches every release as a C3D plug-in provider.  I see much more as IT manager for a Land Surveying company that uses C3D.  Almiost *ALL* of that headache is a result of the yearly incompatible releases.

 

And since I've recently been informed that as a C3D Subscription customer, I'm *REQUIRED* to be on the latest release (and only the latest release) as of 90 days after its release, I've seriously begun to question the ability for Edward-James Surveying to continue to use Civil 3D.

 

I would *really* like to hear comments from other *real* users of C3D, as opposed to Autodesk-related personnel.  I don't know how long it's been since you (Matt) switched to Autodesk, but I'm still in "the real world".  And I am SO FRUSTRATED.

 

One of my major clients is still on Land Desktop 2008.  I *HAVE* to work with that client.  And the trials and tribulations I face, triying to work with another Autodesk client, are beyond absurd.

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Re: Does anyone actually like yearly releases?

01-19-2012 01:29 AM in reply to: michael.robertson

michael.robertson wrote:

The value of the yearly releases probably depends on the discipline you are using it for. For transportation work they are needed to fix the shortcomings of the product where we can actually use it for major road work.

 

For other disciplines, the changes coming out may not be applicable.


Ugh..  You'll learn.  I've been using C3D since the 2006 release.  You FDOT guys are in for a nasty surprise.

 

I wish it weren't so, and there's no real good reason for it to be so, but you've done enough customization that I bet, over time, you'll have to deal with enough different people on enough different versions of C3D that you'll learn...  This is an "I warned you so" post that I think you may disregard now, but you'll probably be saying the same thing as me before long (unless Autodesk changes their annual incompatible release cycle...)

 

Too bad if it's too late, and you have to learn "the hard way".  I know Seth was trying to get me in on your planning commissions, but it never panned out....  But we always learn best through experience, especially when it bites us.

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Re: Does anyone actually like yearly releases?

01-19-2012 04:17 AM in reply to: Sinc

While C3D is gaining functionallity that we need we really don't have a choice but to upgrade with each release (once all the functionallity is there we may do like we do with Microstation and go every other release, we are usually 1 version behind what is the latest release in MicroStation).

 

Like with MicroStation, we will certify which versions of Civil3D we support (we usaully support older version of our software on the certified release it targeted as far as problems but don't modify old software once we move to a newer release).

 

As we've worked through our pilot projects we are in the process of stripping some of the customization back out and it has been a real learning experience compared to the supporting MicroStation (it's easy to tell which software was originally client/server and which was PC based)

 

 

 

 

Mike Robertson
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Re: Does anyone actually like yearly releases?

01-19-2012 06:38 AM in reply to: Sinc

I'm in the real world, and I use Civil 3D about 60% of the time at my desk everyday.  I'm a Civil Engineer (P.E.) and I can't wait for the latest release.  There is always new functionality that I'm looking forward to using.  I can see how as a technician, the continual upgrades releases seem minor, but for a design engineer, they are huge.  Take the latest version of the superelevation view as an example.  For a technician who will never use it, the addition of the superelevation view appears minor and just another headache, but for my design work it is like a dream come true.  I can say the same for catchment areas, intersection objects, etc... all of which makes my design work easier.  A technician will never need to generate a flow path for a catchment area, however, having spent hours clicking water drop paths in C3D 2009 (and using parcel objects to define catchment areas!), having the flow path as an automated defined part of the catchment area in C3D 2012 is golden.

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Re: Does anyone actually like yearly releases?

01-19-2012 06:51 AM in reply to: Sinc

I would like the yearly releases if I felt C3D was rapidly pushing forward into new territory, but as you mentioned the last few releases have had rather trivial improvements, as far as our office is concerned.

 

Back in 2007, I expected that by now we'd be seeing true pavement solids representation (not just hatches at sections in corridors), pressure pipe support, landscape item support, and various revit-like sectioning and labeling abilities.  If C3D were adding pieces of this every year I would be enthusiastically in favor of upgrading each year.

 

Given that the program is stalling though, I agree that the yearly upgrades aren't as valuable.  However we don't customize much , so the 2012 upgrade didn't really hurt most peoples' productivity much.  Our IT group auto-installed the upgrade overnight, and the next day we just plowed ahead in 2012.

 

It may all be a moot point for us since C3D is stalling, and the architects and structural engineers at our firm are now trying to get the company to abandon C3D entirely and do our site work in Revit + some site functionality addons.  (Guess who will probably have to run the pilot project on that to see how well that works.)  Actually, since Revit appears to be less buggy, that may be a good thing...

 

--Jeremy

 

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Re: Does anyone actually like yearly releases?

01-24-2012 06:30 PM in reply to: jmatthei

Hey Jeremy,

 

Regarding the true pavement solids, check out the Corridor Solids for AutoCAD Civil 3d on Autodesk labs. Does that answer your need?

 

Regarding the product stalling, I disagree. In 2010 they made Quick Properties work with Civil 3D objects (a huge time saver for me.) For 2011 they added 64-bit support, a massive undertaking and a big advantage to users. For 2012 they increased speed in file loading and ribbon switching, and helped performance with large surfaces by introducing Level of Detail display. I consider all of these to be valuable upgrades.

 

Oh, and Storm and Sanitary Analysis was added.

 

Is there more to do? Absolutely. Keep posting, especially in the Civil 3D wishes group...

 

Best regards,

 

Tim

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Re: Does anyone actually like yearly releases?

01-25-2012 06:38 AM in reply to: Sinc
Indeed Tim. Civil 3D has hardly stalled in its development. No, it's not like the early years anymore; how could it be? You can't have earth shattering features every year anymore now that we have a mature product.
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