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basman12
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vertical curve for pipe network??

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09-01-2011 04:22 AM

hello everybody
i want to draw a water pipe network and i wanted to be 1.6 meter under the ground level
any suggestions how to mange this my pipe network is PE material
i try to copy the profile and offset to -1,6 but i want to use the option of creat pipe network
and produce it in the profile view
but how can i make the network follow the ground level profile ????
 i need to add vertical curve to the network or somthing similar??
 can i divide the pipes in the profile view by adding the structures direct to profile view
thanks

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dgordon
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Re: vertical curve for pipe network??

09-01-2011 05:09 AM in reply to: basman12

how about a picture of what your seeing now.

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Re: vertical curve for pipe network??

09-02-2011 08:36 AM in reply to: basman12

If I'm not mistaken, you cannot add any curves to a pipe network.

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Neilw
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Re: vertical curve for pipe network??

09-02-2011 09:08 AM in reply to: DSM_dude

You can add curved pipes to a pipe network. When laying out a pipe notice the command prompt. You should see an option for making it a curved pipe.

 

There have been many posts about using pipe networks to model water pipes. While the pipe tools are very limited for this type of piping, there are several workarounds. Try a search for Water pipes and pressure pipes in the forums for solutions.

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engineer4life1979
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Re: vertical curve for pipe network??

09-02-2011 11:05 AM in reply to: Neilw

just to clarify Neilw's reply, you can add horizontal curves to pipes, but not vertical curves, as far as i am aware.

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mathewk
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Re: vertical curve for pipe network??

09-03-2011 06:35 AM in reply to: basman12
You can sort of emulate a vertical curve by creating several pipes in the location of the curve, this tesselating the curve. Not a good workaround but that's all there is currently.
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engineer4life1979
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Re: vertical curve for pipe network??

09-03-2011 07:29 AM in reply to: basman12
Thanks for confirming Matt. Yeah, that's what I have been doing for now. Hopefully this functionality will get added very soon!
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Re: vertical curve for pipe network??

09-03-2011 09:12 AM in reply to: basman12
I, You, and everyone else who uses C3D for utilities :smileyhappy:.
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SBHayes
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Re: vertical curve for pipe network??

04-01-2013 09:40 AM in reply to: basman12

"i want to draw a water pipe network and i wanted to be 1.6 meter under the ground level
any suggestions how to mange this my pipe network is PE material
i try to copy the profile and offset to -1,6 but i want to use the option of creat pipe network
and produce it in the profile view"

 

What I do is create a second surface from at an offset & create a surface profile from it.

 

-Create Tin Surface (ie. PE Min. Cover)

-Modify Surface --> Paste Surface --> Proposed Grade

-Modify Surface --> Raise/lLower Surface --> <-1.6>

 

Then add the surface to the profile and follow it manually.

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Jay_B
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Re: vertical curve for pipe network??

04-01-2013 10:09 AM in reply to: SBHayes

For WM using Gravity PN's this can be done by:

1. Draw a polyline representing the PN in plan view.

2. Create Feature Line from object using "Assign Elevations", choose "from surface", check "Insert intermediate grade break points".

3. Select Feature Line to view the many vertices, Weed the extra vertices by Modify Tab>Edit Elevations Panel>Delete Elevation Points. (This option will let you hover along feature line & click delete the unwanted additional vertices by clicking at green circle grips) Weed vertices will also work but may not be desirable depending on terrain.

4. Select Feature Line>Rt. click>Raise/Lower by -1.6m.

5. Create PN from object>Specify Parts List, Pipe & Null Structure>check "Use vertex Elevations", Vertex Elevation Reference>Outside top.

 

By applying pipe end styles at the "Null structures", Ellipse/Crossing pipe end's. Tee crossings etc. can easily be shown by also placing a null structure representing every intersecting WM branch run etc.

 

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