how are you labeling walls from a surface

[cadtest2]

we are in a situation where we want a dynamic wall label. how can i make that happen if technically the top of wall and bottom of wall are at two different x and y points. ideally i would like have one label and list it this way by referencing surface elevations:

RETAINING WALL
TOW=XXXX.XX
BOW=XXXX.XX
N=NORTHING
E=EASTING

[Anonymous]

There are a couple of ways to model walls. One is to use a breakline at the
top back of wall and one at the bottom face. Another is to apply a small
offset from the face of the wall to use as a breakline for either the top or
bottom. Some might create a breaklines for the top back of wall, top face of
wall and the bottom face of wall as well. In cases where the top and bottom
face are added, they have to be offset slightly as you can't have a true
vertical face in a TIN. Thus you can snap the labels to the top face and
bottom face breaklines since they would be too close to see the difference
in offset. Another option is to apply one label at the top back of wall and
the other at the bottom face.

[Anonymous]

Never mind.I misunderstood your question. You want both top and bottom
elevations in one label. Don't have an answer.

[Anonymous]

Maybe I do have an answer. Create a label style for a line that labels the
start and end Z values. To label the wall, snap a line between the top and
bottom wall breaklines and label it with the custom label. The label will
display the elevations of the 2 ends of the line. Put the line on a no plot
layer.

"neilw" wrote in message
news:6283142@discussion.autodesk.com...
Never mind.I misunderstood your question. You want both top and bottom
elevations in one label. Don't have an answer.

[Anonymous]

BTW, You would also include the coordinates of one end of the line in the
label as the reference point for the wall.

[BrianHailey]

Use a feature line instead of an AutoCAD line. That way, if (when?) the wall design changes, all you will have to do is assign the elevations to the feature line from the surface.

Brian Hailey
http://www.cad-1.com
http://www.AtYourDeskTraining.com

[Anonymous]

Also, the label will not update when the wall elevations change since the
line does not stay dynamically snapped to the breaklines. You could use a
feature line for the label but then it impacts the wall feature lines, so
not ideal.

[Anonymous]

A 3d poly will also work but you need to move the line/3dpline/FL if the
horizontal geometry changes.

This is the only way I know of two get two different x,y locations in one
label. If anyone has better solutions I would also love to hear them.

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[Anonymous]

Yes, either a feature line on a seperate site or a line. Either way you will
have to manually syncronize the label by re-draping on the surface or
snapping to the breaklines.

wrote in message news:6283153@discussion.autodesk.com...
Use a feature line instead of an AutoCAD line. That way, if (when?) the
wall design changes, all you will have to do is assign the elevations to the
feature line from the surface.

Brian Hailey
http://www.cad-1.com
http://www.AtYourDeskTraining.com

[BrianHailey]

It only impacts the wall feature line if the feature lines are in the same "site" (what a lousy choice of names for this concept).

Brian Hailey
http://www.cad-1.com
http://www.AtYourDeskTraining.com

[Anonymous]

I think the challenge is to get 2 surface elevations from the same surface
in one label John. There is only one X,Y location.

Correct me if I am wrong, cadtest.

[Anonymous]

I agree on the "Site" terminology. I think it would make more sense to call
them Topologies since that is what they in effect really are.

[BrianHailey]

I wholeheartedly agree. I don't know about you, but I've never been on a topology visit.

Brian Hailey
http://www.cad-1.com
http://www.AtYourDeskTraining.com

[cadtest2]

technically the top and bottom have different x,y (not a shear wall, slight slope) in the design file, but the top of wall is where the northing and easting will come from. i may have been unclear or misspoke in my o.p.

i think that idea is great and i will try to write that style next. thanks.

[c_c__]

I am trying to get this label style to work correctly. the problem I am having is that the northing and easting wants to label the 1/4 distance (between the start and midpoint of the FL) of the feature line. what am I doing wrong? the elevations are working. my startz component is to the feature and using the general segment start and my endz is to the feature and general segment end . how can I get it to label the startz x,y in my northing and easting component. currently my n&e label has the anchor component to the startz.


I just "moved" (slid the arrows you get when u select a label) label insertion point to the start of my line and it updated my northing and easting. this is a good workaround but it would be nice if we could get the n&e from the start of the FL. Edited by: clay_carr on Nov 5, 2009 3:42 PM

[Neilw_05]

If you have the label set up correctly it should first place the label at the start of the line and display the coordinates for the start of the line. When you drag the label it goes into it's dragged state which in this case places the leader head at the odd location you are seeing. This is one of those annoyances we have with C3D labels in dragged state. The leader head defaults to a hard coded location on the feature and we have no control over that. At least the leader should still be giving you the correct coordinates and all you have to do is drag the leader head to the end of the line. If you want to verify the coordinates, place a Quick Leader using a field for the label and assign the start coordinates to the leader and snap it to the start of the line. You should see the Qleader and C3D label display the same coordinates as you move the line around (regen to update the Qleader field).

Here is a screen recording showing the label in action. Note the coordinates in the Qleader vs. the C3D label are the same.

http://screencast.com/t/0wk7VAZNd448

[c_c__]

neil,

that is exactly what we found too. that screen capture video is great. what a nice tutorial tool. thanks again!

[Civil3DReminders_com]

I usually make an alignment and then profiles for both Top of Wall and Top of Footing and label the alignment with label references to the profiles.

I've also used a surface slope label in the past, but the UI of Civil 3D doesn't make it the easiest thing to use: http://style.civil3dreminders.com/topofwalllabel-slopelabel but since you also want N/E in the label this won't work.

Christopher

[losfotos]

I know this is kind of old, but how do you do all this? Right now I'm just putting two separate surface labels together.

[Joe-Bouza]

I model the wall with FL's ; top and bottom, I then draw FL at lable locations fro nthe bottom to top and use a label style for the end elevations