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Undo Outrage..... AND I MEAN OUTRAGED!

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Message 1 of 38
Joe-Bouza
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Undo Outrage..... AND I MEAN OUTRAGED!

I have been through SR's and have not yet received resolution to this. I have posted here and cannot figure out what is wrong, and oddly some responders do not have this issue.

 

How can it go on for so long?

 

Do I have a faulty setup through out our office? How is it my 2013/2014 undo command still does not work; hundreds of command get into the undo buffer as a result of pan zooming, making it nearly impossible to undo something.

 

I find it odd that this topic doesn't flood these boards to force the hand to make a patch?

 

If I'm way off base (let me know and I humbly apologize), and have some faulty system variable set to drive me insane please let me know. What are your settings people who don't seem to have an undo issue in 13 or 14? Why would mine be wrong installing OOTB?

 

What is the Name of Mike is the freakin fix for this?

Thank you

Joseph D. Bouza, P.E. (one of 'THOSE' People)

HP Z210 Workstation
Intel Xeon CPU E31240 @ 3.30 Hz
12 GB Ram


Note: Its all Resistentialism, so keep calm and carry on

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Message 2 of 38
scaldwell73
in reply to: Joe-Bouza

Joe,

 

I know this will sound crazy but try going into options > user preferences. Under the Undo/Redo, "uncheck" the Combine zoom and pan commands. Hit Apply and then recheck the box and hit apply. I've had weird issues where something says it's checked but not acting like it. Once you sort of reset it, everything plays nice.

 

Just a suggestion.

 

Shawn

Shawn Caldwell
Gay & Neel, Inc.
Message 3 of 38
DMFACER
in reply to: Joe-Bouza

From our testing, this issue was being caused by having annotative hatch objects in our files.  When we removed the hatches, or set them to be not annotative, we no longer had issues with the undo command.


"The most dangerous phrase in the language is 'We've always done it this way.'" - Rear Admiral Grace Hopper
Message 4 of 38
Joe-Bouza
in reply to: scaldwell73

Thanks Shawn, but been down that road, it doesn't change.

Let me ask you: did you all recreate you 13-14 dwt files from scratch or convert your 2012?
Thank you

Joseph D. Bouza, P.E. (one of 'THOSE' People)

HP Z210 Workstation
Intel Xeon CPU E31240 @ 3.30 Hz
12 GB Ram


Note: Its all Resistentialism, so keep calm and carry on

64 Bit Win10 OS
Message 5 of 38
Joe-Bouza
in reply to: DMFACER

Yeah I've heard of that testing, but I do not have any annotative hatch objects in the file
Thank you

Joseph D. Bouza, P.E. (one of 'THOSE' People)

HP Z210 Workstation
Intel Xeon CPU E31240 @ 3.30 Hz
12 GB Ram


Note: Its all Resistentialism, so keep calm and carry on

64 Bit Win10 OS
Message 6 of 38
sfore
in reply to: Joe-Bouza

I created my 2013 dwt from the _Autocad Civil 3D (Imperial) NCS.dwt.  We have the same issue with 'undo', but only in certain drawings.  I can't really pinpoint it at this moment which drawings, but it seems after a series of certain commands with certain features, it happens.  I'll keep a closer eye on issue and maybe test some scenarios and let you know if I pinpoint it.

 

Shawn

Message 7 of 38
jmayo-EE
in reply to: Joe-Bouza

I am one of the lucky ones. Never had this (knocking on wood). I don't use anno hatches and I could swear I remember a post that linked this error to sheet sets or the sheet set files which I als don't use. Have you seen this post from the AutoCAD forum? Not much help but they know about it.

 

http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/AutoCAD-2013-2014/Undo-command-doens-t-work-in-the-right-way-Group-of-...

 

John Mayo, PE, CFM, CME
Message 8 of 38
jmayo-EE
in reply to: jmayo-EE

Also note that Combine Pan & Zoom Commands has always been toggled on for me w/o issues.

John Mayo, PE, CFM, CME
Message 9 of 38
Joe-Bouza
in reply to: jmayo-EE

Well that adds fuel to the fire 😮


No SSM? wowy wowy wowy. I'd be like a junky with out a belt. 🙂
Thank you

Joseph D. Bouza, P.E. (one of 'THOSE' People)

HP Z210 Workstation
Intel Xeon CPU E31240 @ 3.30 Hz
12 GB Ram


Note: Its all Resistentialism, so keep calm and carry on

64 Bit Win10 OS
Message 10 of 38
JA5.15
in reply to: Joe-Bouza

I'll jump in and bump this thread to mention I have a lot of issues with the undo command (of all things, seriously?) with 2014, and did not have these problems with 2012. 2014 does not seem to be combining pan/zoom in the same fasion as 2012 and I have not been able to find a resolution.

Message 11 of 38
fcernst
in reply to: Joe-Bouza

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Fred Ernst, PE
C3D 2024
Ernst Engineering
www.ernstengineering.com
Message 12 of 38
rkmcswain
in reply to: Joe-Bouza

Joe-Bouza wrote:

How can it go on for so long?

 

I find it odd that this topic doesn't flood these boards to force the hand to make a patch?

 

Until it is shown otherwise, I have to presume exactly what @sboon once wrote in these forums.

"The basic premise which you must keep in mind is that the interests of the shareholders supersede everything else."

Translation.... this is not significant enough for us to address, and our current focus is on creating new features that can be highlighted by marketing in order to sell more licenses and subscriptions.

 

 

There are several items on my obviously incomplete list, some of them going back more than one version. I am 95% sure all of these are in the system, so Autodesk knows about them, yet some of them are never addressed. I only wished I knew how the system worked up there. As tired as you are with the Undo bug, I am the same regarding the bug where pipe and structure styles get changed when re-syncing d-refs (2014 and 2015).

R.K. McSwain     | CADpanacea | on twitter
Message 13 of 38
Joe-Bouza
in reply to: rkmcswain

Yes, that one's a doozy

Thank you

Joseph D. Bouza, P.E. (one of 'THOSE' People)

HP Z210 Workstation
Intel Xeon CPU E31240 @ 3.30 Hz
12 GB Ram


Note: Its all Resistentialism, so keep calm and carry on

64 Bit Win10 OS
Message 14 of 38
AllenJessup
in reply to: Joe-Bouza

Joe,

 

If you start from an OOTB template do you have the same issue? I don't usually have the problem. But if I start with the last template you shared with me. I DO have the Undo problem.

 

Allen



Allen Jessup
Engineering Specialist / CAD Manager

Message 15 of 38
rkmcswain
in reply to: AllenJessup

AllenJessup wrote:

Joe,

If you start from an OOTB template do you have the same issue? I don't usually have the problem. But if I start with the last template you shared with me. I DO have the Undo problem.

Good point. I have noticed that whenever I run into the "undo bug", I do have hatches in the drawing, but I didn't really think about it being a combination of items such as hatches _and_ use of an older template.
R.K. McSwain     | CADpanacea | on twitter
Message 16 of 38
JA5.15
in reply to: rkmcswain

Does anyone at Autodesk actually use their software before deployment? How would a glaring undo bug go unnoticed, or be allowed to go into the official release? The only two options, no one tests software at Autodesk, or no one cares.

 

"Hey boss, something we did broke the undo function!"

"Do we still get paid even if it doesn't work?"

"Apparently..."

"Release the new version then, time for golf!"

Message 17 of 38
Joe-Bouza
in reply to: AllenJessup

Hi Allen

Sorry All, I thought I mentioned the SR work around is to make your template from scratch for every release! That warrants repeating ... Make your template from scratch for every release.

 

I'm not sure I understood that, would you mind repeating it? ... Oh yes. We recommend that the template be created from scratch for every release. Come again? I have this ringing in my ears - it sounded like you said "recreate the template from scratch for every release"? Yes sir, that is our suggestion. (I paraphrase of course)

 

Who's doing that? You? You? what about you? It sounds plausable [sic], but I cant seem to wrap my puny mind around that idea.

 

I didn't. I opened my 2008 dwt with recover using 2010 and kept developing my styles and settings, then I did the same with 2011, 2012 and everything was hunky dory until I ran into 2013 and gave up because of the undo BullS&^%, and ran 2012 for the duration until 2014 sp1 came out.  I then Used recover with 2014 on the 2012 dwt and the same crap happened. And its been this way ever since.

 

To be clear I don't have any annotative hatches in the dwt file.

 

I should take an afternoon with the OOTB and drag style after style until it takes a dump. (I'll let you all know how that goes) The problem I have with that is expressions, I have a few that I rather not recreate and dragging in styles at times leaves the expression behind or destroys the code and turns it into useless text in the composer.

I guess I should take Eric Chapell advice... "You can complain or get on with your life". I guess I'm ready to get on with my life.

Thank you

Joseph D. Bouza, P.E. (one of 'THOSE' People)

HP Z210 Workstation
Intel Xeon CPU E31240 @ 3.30 Hz
12 GB Ram


Note: Its all Resistentialism, so keep calm and carry on

64 Bit Win10 OS
Message 18 of 38
rkmcswain
in reply to: Joe-Bouza

We recommend that the template be created from scratch for every release.
Ok, what am I missing here?
I open a new empty drawing from scratch, no template.
Save.
Import styles and settings
Pick Old template
Let it finish
Start reviewing settings and styles in the "new template" and several things are either missing or were ignored during the import.
I didn't spend much time on it after the 3rd or 4th problem I saw.
Thanks.
R.K. McSwain     | CADpanacea | on twitter
Message 19 of 38
Joe-Bouza
in reply to: rkmcswain


@rkmcswain wrote:
We recommend that the template be created from scratch for every release.
Ok, what am I missing here?
I open a new empty drawing from scratch, no template.
Save.
Import styles and settings
Pick Old template
Let it finish
Start reviewing settings and styles in the "new template" and several things are either missing or were ignored during the import.
I didn't spend much time on it after the 3rd or 4th problem I saw.
Thanks.

And thus the tilte of this thread. If it were as easy as starting blank and import there would not be any issue. Missing items like expressions that drive many lable styles. The only thing I did different was start with the OOTB template to pickup new feature styles.

Not importing ambient settings makes the import tool almost useless.

 

And then there are my layers, filters and states to be considered.

 

R.K. you didn't answer the big question: Do you always start from scratch or have you saved up your previous templates?

Thank you

Joseph D. Bouza, P.E. (one of 'THOSE' People)

HP Z210 Workstation
Intel Xeon CPU E31240 @ 3.30 Hz
12 GB Ram


Note: Its all Resistentialism, so keep calm and carry on

64 Bit Win10 OS
Message 20 of 38
jmayo-EE
in reply to: Joe-Bouza

The object layers not importing is IMO the biggest pia.

 

I have never seen expressions not linked to a style not import but I have seen,

 

1. Labels style have there font changed to Standard

2. Pipe materials wind up as blown links that need to be recreated.  

John Mayo, PE, CFM, CME

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