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Survey figures are in 3d - HELP

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Message 1 of 34
Anonymous
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Survey figures are in 3d - HELP

All of our automated linework which we bring in via .fbk files is coming in
fine with one exception. All of the linework is in 3D which results in so
many headaches and problems it's not even funny. We have the 3d geometry
set 'figure display mode' set to flatten figure to elevation but all the
figures are still importing in 3d.

Is there a toggle somewhere in the 1000's of Civil3d settings that changes
this? Please say yes as I cannot even imagine how this is supposed to work.
I fully understand the need for 3d lines and features and points when
building a surface but in terms of having them drawn in 3d for everyday use,
no way.

LDD used to bring the linework in 2d yet still maintained the ability to
convert the survey figures to breaklines that contained the 3d data
necessary for surface creation. Very simple, very clear and very concise.
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Message 2 of 34
stacy.dunn
in reply to: Anonymous

Look at the figure style under the "3D Geometry tab" and set it to flatten the figure to elevation. I use two styles, one for 2D and the other for 3D.
Stacy Dunn
Message 3 of 34
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

I stated in my post that we do have that setting established (maybe it
wasn't clear) but the figures are still coming in in 3D. When I try and
grab quick distance from the fence line to the property line the distance is
2200' when it should be 0.3'.

wrote in message news:6377625@discussion.autodesk.com...
Look at the figure style under the "3D Geometry tab" and set it to flatten
the figure to elevation. I use two styles, one for 2D and the other for 3D.
Message 4 of 34
mdriver1
in reply to: Anonymous

I bet your default figure style is set to 3D?

I know you mentioned that the style you like is set correctly but is it set to the default style?

Mark Driver
Message 5 of 34
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

No, 3d is not the default. We have tried modifying the 'basic' figure style
to flatten the elevations and tried setting up a couple other style and no
matter what I try the figures are in 3d.

Our figures are coming in with the style we have setup which tells me the
connection there is working fine, but the 3d part has me puzzled.

wrote in message news:6377638@discussion.autodesk.com...
I bet your default figure style is set to 3D?

I know you mentioned that the style you like is set correctly but is it set
to the default style?

Mark Driver
Message 6 of 34
mdriver1
in reply to: Anonymous

Maybe but I do know there are at least two places where a default figure style maybe overiding the one you select upon import.

First area I would look is:
Toolspace > settings > right click survey > edit feature settings > default styles

Second area:
Survey tab on ribbon > pull down arrow under Modify > edit user settings > check these

Other than that don't know where else to look for now.

Mark Driver
Message 7 of 34
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Everything checks out...but it's not working properly. I've tried new
survey databases, new networks, 2 different .fbk files .csv files, you name
it and they all come in with 3d.

I appreciate the help Mark and am glad to know that 2d survey figures are an
option....now if we can only get it to work.

Anyone else have any ideas?


wrote in message news:6377645@discussion.autodesk.com...
Maybe but I do know there are at least two places where a default figure
style maybe overiding the one you select upon import.

First area I would look is:
Toolspace > settings > right click survey > edit feature settings > default
styles

Second area:
Survey tab on ribbon > pull down arrow under Modify > edit user settings >
check these

Other than that don't know where else to look for now.

Mark Driver
Message 8 of 34
C3D_User
in reply to: Anonymous

Mike,
Believe me it's not your CSV files Survey Database's etc. Its a deficiency in the program, I know exactly what you mean I have encountered the same. You set the Figure style to flatten (3D Geometry Tab) but it does not really flatten. It is still at elevation...the weird thing about the Survey Figure's are when you view it in Object Viewer next to a plain Jane line at 0 elevation they are right next to each other vertically. However, when you invoke the Line command and use your osnap of nearest, the line will be at the elevation of the Survey Figure. I have not found a fix other than exploding and converting 3d polys to 2d polys. However, the caveat to this is now your curves are in segments.

Note to Autodesk:
Please fix this deficiancy.
Please give us Linetype Generation on Survey Figures.

Regards,
Ken
Message 9 of 34
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Wonder how that one could have possibly slipped by the programmers? Having
survey figures at elevation does our entire office no good, and in fact
slows things down.

I can't think of one positive in having lines in my drawing at elevation.

wrote in message news:6377904@discussion.autodesk.com...
Mike,
Believe me it's not your CSV files Survey Database's etc. Its a deficiency
in the program, I know exactly what you mean I have encountered the same.
You set the Figure style to flatten (3D Geometry Tab) but it does not really
flatten. It is still at elevation...the weird thing about the Survey
Figure's are when you view it in Object Viewer next to a plain Jane line at
0 elevation they are right next to each other vertically. However, when you
invoke the Line command and use your osnap of nearest, the line will be at
the elevation of the Survey Figure. I have not found a fix other than
exploding and converting 3d polys to 2d polys. However, the caveat to this
is now your curves are in segments.

Note to Autodesk:
Please fix this deficiancy.
Please give us Linetype Generation on Survey Figures.

Regards,
Ken
Message 10 of 34
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

On a more positive note I did find the osnap toggle that disregards the Z
elevation when snapping to things.

"mike hathaway" wrote in message
news:6378195@discussion.autodesk.com...
Wonder how that one could have possibly slipped by the programmers? Having
survey figures at elevation does our entire office no good, and in fact
slows things down.

I can't think of one positive in having lines in my drawing at elevation.

wrote in message news:6377904@discussion.autodesk.com...
Mike,
Believe me it's not your CSV files Survey Database's etc. Its a deficiency
in the program, I know exactly what you mean I have encountered the same.
You set the Figure style to flatten (3D Geometry Tab) but it does not really
flatten. It is still at elevation...the weird thing about the Survey
Figure's are when you view it in Object Viewer next to a plain Jane line at
0 elevation they are right next to each other vertically. However, when you
invoke the Line command and use your osnap of nearest, the line will be at
the elevation of the Survey Figure. I have not found a fix other than
exploding and converting 3d polys to 2d polys. However, the caveat to this
is now your curves are in segments.

Note to Autodesk:
Please fix this deficiancy.
Please give us Linetype Generation on Survey Figures.

Regards,
Ken
Message 11 of 34
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Maybe this needs a new Topic but our linetypes are not showing up correctly
(since everything is in 3d is my guess). Is there a work around for this?

"mike hathaway" wrote in message
news:6378260@discussion.autodesk.com...
On a more positive note I did find the osnap toggle that disregards the Z
elevation when snapping to things.

"mike hathaway" wrote in message
news:6378195@discussion.autodesk.com...
Wonder how that one could have possibly slipped by the programmers? Having
survey figures at elevation does our entire office no good, and in fact
slows things down.

I can't think of one positive in having lines in my drawing at elevation.

wrote in message news:6377904@discussion.autodesk.com...
Mike,
Believe me it's not your CSV files Survey Database's etc. Its a deficiency
in the program, I know exactly what you mean I have encountered the same.
You set the Figure style to flatten (3D Geometry Tab) but it does not really
flatten. It is still at elevation...the weird thing about the Survey
Figure's are when you view it in Object Viewer next to a plain Jane line at
0 elevation they are right next to each other vertically. However, when you
invoke the Line command and use your osnap of nearest, the line will be at
the elevation of the Survey Figure. I have not found a fix other than
exploding and converting 3d polys to 2d polys. However, the caveat to this
is now your curves are in segments.

Note to Autodesk:
Please fix this deficiancy.
Please give us Linetype Generation on Survey Figures.

Regards,
Ken
Message 12 of 34
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Well, evidently that osnap toggle only works when your trying to figure out
the distance from a survey figure at elevation to a non-survey figure such
as a property line which is at 'zero' elevation.

When I try to determine the width of roadway (which is definied by survey
figures) the distance is still in 3d.

**&&^^%@ How oh how is this remotely useful. This program is driving me up
a wall!

"mike hathaway" wrote in message
news:6378260@discussion.autodesk.com...

On a more positive note I did find the osnap toggle that disregards the Z
elevation when snapping to things.

"mike hathaway" wrote in message
news:6378195@discussion.autodesk.com...
Wonder how that one could have possibly slipped by the programmers? Having
survey figures at elevation does our entire office no good, and in fact
slows things down.

I can't think of one positive in having lines in my drawing at elevation.

wrote in message news:6377904@discussion.autodesk.com...
Mike,
Believe me it's not your CSV files Survey Database's etc. Its a deficiency
in the program, I know exactly what you mean I have encountered the same.
You set the Figure style to flatten (3D Geometry Tab) but it does not really
flatten. It is still at elevation...the weird thing about the Survey
Figure's are when you view it in Object Viewer next to a plain Jane line at
0 elevation they are right next to each other vertically. However, when you
invoke the Line command and use your osnap of nearest, the line will be at
the elevation of the Survey Figure. I have not found a fix other than
exploding and converting 3d polys to 2d polys. However, the caveat to this
is now your curves are in segments.

Note to Autodesk:
Please fix this deficiancy.
Please give us Linetype Generation on Survey Figures.

Regards,
Ken
Message 13 of 34
10acken
in reply to: Anonymous

Mike, You said: "On a more positive note I did find the osnap toggle that disregards the Z
elevation when snapping to things."

Where is this oft dreamed of toggle? I NEVER want the vertical distance added to my distances.
Message 14 of 34
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

It's a setting under 'options' under the drafting tab and the under 'object
snap options'.

Initially I thought this toggle would disregard elevations but it doesn't
work as I had hoped. Apparently the toggle only works on the 2nd object that
is picked or snapped to (why this works this way is beyond me). For
example, if I tried to obtain a distance from a property line, which
naturally is set at a '0' elevation, to a fence that was created as a 3d
survey figure, which is at elevation of 2198.72 feet the distance displays
Distance = 2198.7263, Angle in XY Plane = S 66d50'7" E, Angle from XY
Plane = N 0d5'30" E
Delta X = 3.2311, Delta Y = -1.3825, Delta Z = 2198.7235

However if I switch the order of picking it comes up as: Distance = 3.5144,
Angle in XY Plane = N 66d50'7" W, Angle from XY Plane = E Delta X
= -3.2311, Delta Y = 1.3825, Delta Z = 0.0000.

Not quite the toggle I had in mind. I agree with you 10acken.

<10acken> wrote in message news:6378811@discussion.autodesk.com...
Mike, You said: "On a more positive note I did find the osnap toggle that
disregards the Z
elevation when snapping to things."

Where is this oft dreamed of toggle? I NEVER want the vertical distance
added to my distances.
Message 15 of 34
MJP42
in reply to: Anonymous

Change "osnapz" variable from 0 to 1. This will ignore all z values and report the 2d distance. Osnapz automatically gets set back to 0 each time the drawing is closed??

We always have to explode the survey figures prior to delivering a survey to other clients "who don't use C3D". The clients who do use C3D complain about the same things already said here. We will sometimes re-reduce field books in LDT using a temporary project and just copy the 3d and 2d polylines into the C3D drawing and erase delete all the survey figures. That way we get curves. Three steps forward, two steps back.
Message 16 of 34
10acken
in reply to: Anonymous

I've been looking for that variable for years, MJP42! it works! Thanks!
Message 17 of 34
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

The osnapz variable is the actual variable in the toggle I referenced above
which doesn't work as intended.


wrote in message news:6379510@discussion.autodesk.com...
Change "osnapz" variable from 0 to 1. This will ignore all z values and
report the 2d distance. Osnapz automatically gets set back to 0 each time
the drawing is closed??

We always have to explode the survey figures prior to delivering a survey to
other clients "who don't use C3D". The clients who do use C3D complain
about the same things already said here. We will sometimes re-reduce field
books in LDT using a temporary project and just copy the 3d and 2d polylines
into the C3D drawing and erase delete all the survey figures. That way we
get curves. Three steps forward, two steps back.
Message 18 of 34
10acken
in reply to: Anonymous

It seems to work the same for me, regardless of which object I pick first.
Message 19 of 34
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

So, it doesn't work as you and I had hoped on your end as well? Is that
what you're saying?

<10acken> wrote in message news:6379566@discussion.autodesk.com...
It seems to work the same for me, regardless of which object I pick first.
Message 20 of 34
10acken
in reply to: Anonymous

No no no. As far as I can tell, it's working exactly as I had hoped. I've only played with it a little bit, though. I created a couple of plines offset 50' and have changed the elevations around on both of them, and with the OSNAPZ set to 1 I get a distance of 50' every time, no matter how I select them. I haven't tried it with a figure.

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