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tcorey
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Re: Survey Figure's... whats the point?

06-27-2012 09:35 AM in reply to: owenmull

 

I still find certain things I could do faster using DOS than I can with Windows. That doesn't mean I'm going to hang on to DOS. There are too many other benefits of Windows.

 

I'm just saying...

 

Tim

 

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owenmull
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Re: Survey Figure's... whats the point?

06-27-2012 10:03 AM in reply to: tcorey

Keep on saying, Tim!

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jonathan
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Message 23 of 69 (385 Views)

Re: Survey Figure's... whats the point?

06-27-2012 04:34 PM in reply to: owenmull

I'm debating the same question having finally moved on from Carlson for Land Desktop.  Any thoughs on 3rd party software like SmartDraft's PConnect? 

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sboon
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Re: Survey Figure's... whats the point?

06-27-2012 11:03 PM in reply to: jonathan

My comment for the OP.

 

Over the last seven years I would bet that 90% of the people on this board have made the exact same transition from LDT to Civil3d.  Darn near every single one of those people (including me) started out by trying to use polylines the way that we were used to, and hated featurelines because they were "impossible to work with."

 

A huge majority of those people have already realized that the benefits of having intelligent, dynamic, 3d objects in drawings outweigh the costs of creating and manipulating them.  I certainly agree that survey figures are not for everyone but there are procedures that work for creating the surface breaklines and linework for display purposes.

 

Newcomers can repeat the old arguments - we've heard them all before, or they can accept the fact that a lot of us have already been there and done that.

 

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lhampton
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Re: Survey Figure's... whats the point?

06-28-2012 07:23 AM in reply to: sboon

"A huge majority of those people have already realized that the benefits of having intelligent, dynamic, 3d objects in drawings outweigh the costs of creating and manipulating them."

 

Having un-editable, hardly working "features" that require a whole training class just to be able to make an out-of order line correct (during which the instructors PC crashed C3d , 2 times) does not seem beneficial to me in anyway.

 

Coming from a 11 year surveyor, they are a gimmick that we are being forced to use without any real world tests. WE pay an EXTREMLY large amount of money each year to deal with this terrible piece of software. Cool, I get it C3d is for ENGINEERS what about the other 50% of that whole process (THE SURVEY DEPARTMENT) we are being left out in the cold with truly worthless "features" that are CLEARLY not tested. 

 

All I want is to import lines as 2d polys and not feature lines. Do any of you Civil geniuses know how to do that?

 

 

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Message 26 of 69 (351 Views)

Re: Survey Figure's... whats the point?

06-28-2012 07:30 AM in reply to: lhampton

@lhampton

 [...All I want is to import lines as 2d polys and not feature lines. Do any of you Civil geniuses know how to do that?]

 

This question has already been answered.  C3D will not create 2d polylines automatically for you.  Let the figures happen then flatten and explode them.  It'll take you about a minute.  Then unlock the points in the drawing.  Another 22 seconds.  Now forget about the survey DB and now you have a DWG with points and legacy 2d polylines.  Edit like you always have.

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Jasono2009
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Message 27 of 69 (339 Views)

Re: Survey Figure's... whats the point?

06-28-2012 07:39 AM in reply to: tcorey

Still waiting on anyone here to prove that C3D is faster than LDD at processing a topo survey. My challenge is still open.

 

Closed circuit to the last post - we are not talking about design here. This post is about the survey module. I agree the civil aspects - grading, hydro, corridors, etc. are much improved from LDD. You might say lights years ahead. Survey however is 100% not. A definite leap backwards. Anyone having experience with it agrees, including our distributor.

 

thanks,

Jason

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Jasono2009
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Message 28 of 69 (330 Views)

Re: Survey Figure's... whats the point?

06-28-2012 07:47 AM in reply to: tcorey

Hey Tim Corey -

 

Then explain to us how a surveyor benefits moving on to C3D from LDD?

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Jasono2009
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Message 29 of 69 (332 Views)

Re: Survey Figure's... whats the point?

06-28-2012 07:49 AM in reply to: owenmull

owenmull-

 

I know the answer, but will ask anyway - how many years of survey experience do you have?

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rl_jackson
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Message 30 of 69 (322 Views)

Re: Survey Figure's... whats the point?

06-28-2012 07:56 AM in reply to: Jasono2009

I really don't thin either of those questions apply. It your C3D experience that should be questioned

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