Scale 1:400

[Strax]

I have a problem.

I want to have my drawing in scla e1:400 or 1:600 but I dont know how I should do that.

In my work I have to download a map från a website and then convert it in RXview to DWG format. Then I draw my things on it but I cant get the scale.

/ Jenny

[antoniovinci]

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Strax wrote:

I want to have my drawing in scla e1:400 or 1:600 but I dont know how I should do that

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Madame, I'm sure you're kiddin' us...

In the whole world, never and nobody would print or draw in such non-standard scales, so please scan your order, and upload it here, thx.

[Strax]

Im not kidding! 🙂

I want to have 1 mm on the drawing is 400 mm in reality.

That is what the said to me.

/ Jenny

[neilyj666]

No reason why you cant have a scale of 1:569 or anything else, its just a bit unconventional.

You need to draw at full size in modelspace and let the paperspace viewport deal with the scaling.

[antoniovinci]

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neilyj wrote:
You need to draw at full size in modelspace and let the paperspace viewport deal with the scaling.

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Well, this sounds like Martian slang for our beautiful Jenny, trust me.
Without watching at her job order, we cannot advise anything.
Moreover, I guess she needs spending a couple of weeks in the nearest Autocad Training Center...

[MarySeufert]

Hi Jenny, and welcome

Neilyj is right when he advises that in model space all objects should be drawn 1:1. Then use paper space viewports to scale the linework to your desired print scale and page size. Antonio is wrong to say 1:400 or 600 isn't standard. They are acceptable for large scale situations. Example: A citiy's sewer network map, zoning maps, etc. I don't know about everyone else, but my engineering scale has 1:40 and 60 on it. It is pretty easy to multiply from those to get to 400/600

Do take some time to learn how to use scales correctly. Do some google searches on sheet setup, annotation scales, model space vs paper space. Here are some links to AutoCAD help to get you started.

http://help.autodesk.com/view/ACD/2015/ENU/?guid=GUID-4F448A62-A99E-4AB5-AE50-9EAAC0485283

http://help.autodesk.com/view/ACD/2015/ENU/?guid=GUID-A576A246-5D21-45C8-8C12-F1FA2F9E373D

http://help.autodesk.com/view/ACD/2015/ENU/?guid=GUID-0D660AEB-0937-4C31-9EC0-ACCA16E7C5E0

[antoniovinci]

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MarySeufert wrote:
1:400 or 600 are acceptable for large scale situations

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Dear Mary, you're carring on Jenny's joke, so let's kidd ourselves more..

In Italy, if you give a 1:40 scaled paper plot to your master builder, he will immediately make some paper hats for his crew, to protect their head from the hot sun...

[volusiajim]

Is there an inside joke going on here?

[jmayo-EE]

It's that whole meters to feet thing.  A 40 or 400 scale plot is pretty common between the Altantic and Pacific.

By the way... wasn't Europe suppose to convert to US Imperial back in the 80's?

Just continuing the humor.  🙂

[antoniovinci]

jmayo wrote:

A 40 or 400 scale plot is pretty common between the Altantic and Pacific.

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That's a good point, JM.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I bet Jenny's working in Scandinavia, so no matter of metric/imperial stuff.
I'm still convinced she misunderstood his boss order, that's why I'd like to have a look at it...

@ volusiajim

The origami hats are very widespread in italian construction sites, so I wrote the truth, sir.

[Kundertk]

I agree that 1:400 is an odd scale.  Depending upon who the approving authority is, the scale could be unacceptable.   Around my part of the world, acceptable scales are 1:100, 200, 250, 500, 1000, 2000, or 2500.  We can generally make those work depending upon type of plan or plan/profile drawing.  

I have seen people using 1:400 for a single lot multifamily project.  I actually own a triangular engineering scale that happens to have 1:400 on it, but have NEVER seen 1:600 in use.  Weirder things could happen though.  I do recall seeing a dusty 1: 333.3 scale at a drafting supply store, once upon a time.  Not sure if anyone ever bought one of those.

[Cadguru42]

The entire state of Tennessee's tax grid is based on 1:400, so I don't think calling that a strange scale is applicable. But as others have stated, always draw 1:1 in the model space, then make your prints at whatever scale you want. It's easy to make your viewport scale 1:400 or even 0.64:4258. 

[neilyj666]

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@engrtech wrote:

The entire state of Tennessee's tax grid is based on 1:400, so I don't think calling that a strange scale is applicable. But as others have stated, always draw 1:1 in the model space, then make your prints at whatever scale you want. It's easy to make your viewport scale 1:400 or even 0.64:4258. 

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Probably depends where in the world you are; for us in the metric world it IS a strange scale and Grapesquishy has quoted the conventional ones (yypically to be read as 1m : 500m)

[jmayo-EE]

"Probably depends where in the world you are"

That's what I said in different words but my humor never works here....  😮

[MarySeufert]

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@jmayo wrote:

but my humor never works here....  :o

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It kept me from sending a flaming post.

This thread should never have devolved into an argument over whether 1:400 is appropriate or not. Jenny only got about 3 or 4 posts meant to help her. IMO, most were derisive, intentional or not. I would give out negative kudos if I could!

[antoniovinci]

engrtech wrote:

The entire state of Tennessee's tax grid is based on 1:400 

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That sounds new to me, but I trust you, so I deeply apologize because of my comments.

In Europe, we never dimension a drawing in non-standard scales, since the master builder at the construction site has no time to calculate "how really long is this":
he thinks about 1:20/50/100/200/500/1000/2000/5000 factors, simply.

About Jenny's first post, she wrote at 8:26 a.m. CET, so it's almost sure she works in Europe, perhaps in UK (with "imperial" troubles) but more probably on the land (without 'em)...

[Strax]

Thank you for all the answers!

I live in Sweden and it is not me that want to have that scale.

I am drawing for road constructions.

The problem was that the map that I downloades was in the wrong scale.

/ Jenny

[Cadguru42]

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@antoniovinci wrote:

@engrtech wrote:

The entire state of Tennessee's tax grid is based on 1:400 

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That sounds new to me, but I trust you, so I deeply apologize because of my comments.

In Europe, we never dimension a drawing in non-standard scales, since the master builder at the construction site has no time to calculate "how really long is this":
he thinks about 1:20/50/100/200/500/1000/2000/5000 factors, simply.

About Jenny's first post, she wrote at 8:26 a.m. CET, so it's almost sure she works in Europe, perhaps in UK (with "imperial" troubles) but more probably on the land (without 'em)...

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Our tax grid is 1:400, but when we do construction plans they're mostly 1" = 50' or 1" = 20' for smaller projects. We never make a set of construction plans that are larger than 1" = 50'. 

[antoniovinci]

Strax wrote: 

I live in Sweden

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...I've bet about it, check this out:

http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/AutoCAD-Civil-3D-General/Scale-1-400/m-p/5128384#M252589

Seems like it was only a great misunderstanding, I can go sleeping now...

[neilyj666]

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@engrtech wrote:

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@antoniovinci wrote:

@engrtech wrote:

The entire state of Tennessee's tax grid is based on 1:400 

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That sounds new to me, but I trust you, so I deeply apologize because of my comments.

In Europe, we never dimension a drawing in non-standard scales, since the master builder at the construction site has no time to calculate "how really long is this":
he thinks about 1:20/50/100/200/500/1000/2000/5000 factors, simply.

About Jenny's first post, she wrote at 8:26 a.m. CET, so it's almost sure she works in Europe, perhaps in UK (with "imperial" troubles) but more probably on the land (without 'em)...

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Our tax grid is 1:400, but when we do construction plans they're mostly 1" = 50' or 1" = 20' for smaller projects. We never make a set of construction plans that are larger than 1" = 50'. 

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By quoting the scale in the same terms i.e. feet:feet rather than inches to feet (?), I get 1:4800, 1:600 and 1:240 i.e. similar to the metric scales of 1:5000, 1:500, 1:250