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Renumbering Points

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Message 1 of 24
sswanson
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Renumbering Points

We have a drawing that has 2000 plus points, and tried to renumber the point numbers, by
increasing each by a factor of 1000.

The menu to increase the point numbers seems to work inconsistently.

I can not increase my points say by 50, 100 , 300 , 500, 900 , 1000, or 1500.

But I can increase the point numbers say by 2000, 3000, and 10000

Is there something I am missing, that I can increase the point numbers, by some factors and not by others ??

This is what we get if we try to increase all point numbers by 1000

From Ribbon >>> Modify > Points > Renumber

From the command line >>>>

Points [All/numbers/group/Selection] : ( I Pick Enter)
Enter an additive factor for point number: (I type in 1000)

All point numbers should increase by 1000, like it did when I typed in 2000.
Instead we get the following ….

Options [Overwrite/Next]

Nothing I do with this command line seems to work

Any ideas ??

Steve Swanson
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Message 2 of 24
AllenJessup
in reply to: sswanson

Point renumbering starts from the lowest point. So if you have points ranging from 2000 to 4000 and want to increase them by 1000 the first point that is renumbered in 2000. That tries to change to 3000 but the program finds a point 3000 and wants to know if you want to overwrite it or use the next open point. The ranges you can increase by probably represent resultant point numbers that aren't already occupied.
I haven't had to do this in C3D but in LDT I'd handle it (for adding 1000) by increasing 10,000 and then decreasing by 9,000.
It would be nice if the program would realize that by renumbering you'd be freeing up the destination point numbers and doing the temporary renumbering for you. But as it is you can't renumber to an used point even though it would opened later in the renumbering sequence.
Allen


Allen Jessup
Engineering Specialist / CAD Manager

Message 3 of 24
Sinc
in reply to: sswanson

I used to rant about this, but I gave up a few years back.

It would be sooooooo easy to change the Points Renumber command so that it didn't have this problem...

-- Sinc
http://www.ejsurveying.com
http://www.quuxsoft.com
Sinc
Message 4 of 24
AllenJessup
in reply to: sswanson

Yeah. This should have been fixed in the Softdesk days if not the DCA days. With a new program I can't see how it got in this way at all. I would think it would be one of the fist things you'd think of when writing a routine to do renumbering.
Allen


Allen Jessup
Engineering Specialist / CAD Manager

Message 5 of 24
Sinc
in reply to: sswanson

In a related vein, I just got a phone call from someone at our other office, who had a Civil 3D question. He didn't even have to get the whole question out - as soon as he said he was trying to label a curve on a parcel, and the term "background mask", I knew exactly what his question was...

Unfortunately, the answer there is also "It's a bug we've had to work around for years, and is still there in 2011..."

-- Sinc
http://www.ejsurveying.com
http://www.quuxsoft.com
Sinc
Message 6 of 24
sswanson
in reply to: sswanson

Thank you all for your help.

I hope that this is fixed in the future. Also it would be nice to be able to raise or lower the elevation for a point range of numbers say between
550 - 2500 with out creating a Point Group or highlighting each point.
Message 7 of 24
Sinc
in reply to: sswanson

I was about to say that you CAN do that, but I figured I better try it first...

My thought was you could use the SELECT command to select the points, then right-click -> Datum...

So I started up C3D, and typed SELECT, then started the 'PN transparent command and entered point numbers 6000-6999. The result was a VERY LONG wait, as each Cogo Point was selected one at a time, and tons of lines of text were dumped to the console window during the process. When it finally ended, I had to hit ESC to get out of the "Point number:" prompt. That got me back to the "Select Objects" prompt, at which point I right-clicked and was left with no active selection set at all(?!). So I typed PSELECT and hit "P" to get the previous selection set. This gave me a selection set that contained SOME of the Cogo Points I wanted, along with a bunch of other items (lines, an XREF, a TIN surface, etc.) that I did NOT want selected.

So that method didn't work well at all. It only yielded a nasty mess.

I guess the only real way to do it is to go to Prospector, Points collection, and select the points in the Detail pane, then right-click->Datum.... Or use the Edit Points command, and select the points in the Panorama view, and right-click->Datum...

-- Sinc
http://www.ejsurveying.com
http://www.quuxsoft.com
Sinc
Message 8 of 24
Anonymous
in reply to: sswanson

I am not sure why you object to creating a point group. How much easier can
it be? Delete point group afterwards.

Bill

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news:6385631@discussion.autodesk.com...
Thank you all for your help.

I hope that this is fixed in the future. Also it would be nice to be able
to raise or lower the elevation for a point range of numbers say between
550 - 2500 with out creating a Point Group or highlighting each point.
Message 9 of 24
AllenJessup
in reply to: sswanson

I hate to say this - BUT - if it hasn't been changed in the past 20 years I doubt it ever will be. I say changed rather than fixed because I'd expect that Autodesk would say that "The program preforms as expected".
Allen


Allen Jessup
Engineering Specialist / CAD Manager

Message 10 of 24
Sinc
in reply to: sswanson

Oh I don't know...

Autodesk seems to be fixing some other things we're complaining about. Maybe it's a different environment now, and if we all report this problem AGAIN, it might finally get fixed, after 20 years of being broken.

It is, after all, an extremely easy fix.

-- Sinc
http://www.ejsurveying.com
http://www.quuxsoft.com
Sinc
Message 11 of 24
Anonymous
in reply to: sswanson

I am guessing at this point but Map may be using this same points system
which would be an "easy" out for not "fixin" this.

Bill
Message 12 of 24
AllenJessup
in reply to: sswanson

OK. I posted it as a wish in the wish group. Anyone who wants to add to it. Feel free.
Allen


Allen Jessup
Engineering Specialist / CAD Manager

Message 13 of 24
Sinc
in reply to: sswanson

Worse... Map can't even see Civil 3D Cogo Points, let alone renumber them.

-- Sinc
http://www.ejsurveying.com
http://www.quuxsoft.com
Sinc
Message 14 of 24
nickd13b
in reply to: sswanson

It was frustrating but I was easily able to renumber a group of points within a group from the panorama.

 

By right clicking on the point group and selecting edit points, which brings up the panorama for the points and then *here's the trick* by selecting the points column header and listing the points in decending order then I selected the points I wanted to renumber, right click and renumber. Voila!

Message 15 of 24
wfberry
in reply to: nickd13b

I doubt if any of the points that you were re-numbering had some of same numbers before and after.

 

It is easier to give an example.  Existing numbers 685-1500.   Now renumber by adding 300 to all.

 

Bill

 

 

 

Message 16 of 24
Sinc
in reply to: wfberry

The point renumbering works on points in the order in which points are selected.

 

When you use "Edit Points" to get points in the Panorama, then use CTRL-A in Panorama, it selects the points in the order in which they are displayed in Panorama.  So by sorting the points by reverse-point-number, then using CTRL-A in Panorama, you are selecting all the points in reverse-number order.  That lets you use a positive number for "additive factor for point numbers", and you have no conflicts.

 

Say you select point numbers 1 through 10 in Panorama, then reverse-sort on Point Number, so they list with #10 first.  Then do RENUMBER, adding 1.  Point #10 will be renumbered to #11 with no conflict.  Then #9 will be renumbered to #10, again with no conflict, and so on.

 

Congrats on this workaround!  It never occurred to me.  I was always just using RENUMBER twice.  For example, to add 1 to point numbers, I would renumber them all +1000, then again -999.  Simple enough, just really annoying.

 

BTW, for what it's worth, this bug is STILL in C3D 2012...  I'm pretty sure this bug did NOT exist in Softdesk 8.  I remember renumbering points just fine in Softdesk 8, and only having this problem when we upgraded to LDD.  And this problem has been here ever since, even making its way from LDD into C3D, and staying in C3D for 8 years now and counting.  😞

Sinc
Message 17 of 24
nickd13b
in reply to: wfberry

Actually they did. I only had like 30 numbers, but I wanted to insert a point at 11 and 16.

 

By sorting the numbers in the Panorama in decending order it worked, no errors, no prompts.

 

Basically I renumbered points 30-11 +1 then again 31-16 +1.

Message 18 of 24
rkmcswain
in reply to: AllenJessup

AllenJessup wrote:
OK. I posted it as a wish in the wish group. Anyone who wants to add to it. Feel free.

@AllenJessup - I know this was almost 7 years ago, but I don't remember if the C3D Ideastation was even around then, and I do not see this wish there.

R.K. McSwain     | CADpanacea | on twitter
Message 19 of 24
rkmcswain
in reply to: AllenJessup

AllenJessup wrote:
It would be nice if the program would realize that by renumbering you'd be freeing up the destination point numbers and doing the temporary renumbering for you. But as it is you can't renumber to an used point even though it would opened later in the renumbering sequence.
Allen

This ^^^^ !

Here we are, almost 7 years (84 months | 364 weeks | 2,555 days) later, and it's still not doable.

R.K. McSwain     | CADpanacea | on twitter
Message 20 of 24
AllenJessup
in reply to: rkmcswain

You're right. Way before the Idea Station. There was a Civil 3D Wishes group. http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/autocad-civil-3d-wishes/bd-p/185 Unfortunately I found out the development team didn't even know it existed.


Allen Jessup
Engineering Specialist / CAD Manager

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