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Point attribute data will disappear over time

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Message 1 of 29
zancudo_tj
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Point attribute data will disappear over time

I am working with points with attribute information, importing a .csv into civil3d 2010 via custom fields in the user define classifications and import with a custom import format. All my points fall on the correct layers and all is good. I can select a point and view all the attribute information under the unclassified tab in my properties tab i.e. road name, width,  surface….. I create an individual dwg, save it and insert it into a master dwg. At this point all my attributes are in the master drawing and no problems what so ever. However for some reason all my attribute information is disappearing over time, it could be five minutes later or it could be the next day. I have exported points with hopes they are just not showing up in the properties window but no luck there. Any idea where or why the data is being dropped??

 

thanks for any help you can throw this way,

Ty

 

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Message 2 of 29
tcorey
in reply to: zancudo_tj

Are the same User Defined Property Classifications in the drawing that you're xrefing into?



Tim Corey
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Message 3 of 29
zancudo_tj
in reply to: tcorey

Yes the template that was created for the individual drawings and was saved as the “master dwg”. So the properties of both drawings are the same. Another strange item I cant figure out – and this may have something to do with my data disappearing – is that I created a custom _PENZD import format with Point(A), Northing(B), Easting(C), Elevation(D), Description(E), then assigning previously created fields for the attribute data in the unused columns in that format for F,G,H,I,J,K,L,M,N, and O.   F-O being attributes of that point – example - road name, type, surface, width, crossing method, notes, etc.

Once the points have been imported in cad I can click a point and see all the information in my properties tab under Unclassified , BUT the order for some reason is scrambled – H,K,I,J,L,M,N,O,F, AND G?????

 

 

Message 4 of 29
zancudo_tj
in reply to: tcorey

I also had a typo, i am working in Civil3D 2012 not 2010.

Message 5 of 29
tdunn3
in reply to: zancudo_tj

I am having the same problem with attribute data dissappearing. Has anyone found a solution to this problem or experiencing the same issue?

Message 6 of 29
stevekersey
in reply to: zancudo_tj

C3D 2012-It might be worth remarking that setting up extended user defined point properties in a survey database and importing them into the drawing to create a point classification sets C3D up to import and export CSV files with the attributes much better than the other way around even if you don't intend to bring points into the drawing from the survey database.

Message 7 of 29
tdunn3
in reply to: stevekersey

I can bring in the attributes from the survey database with no problem, but as soon as I delete a point on accident out of my drawing and undo all my attribute data still goes away. 

Message 8 of 29
stevekersey
in reply to: zancudo_tj

We've found that C3D 2012 can be very sensitive to deleting a point graphically from the drawing, especially if you try an undo after this deletion.  We now only delete points from toolspace/prosector.

Message 9 of 29
tdunn3
in reply to: zancudo_tj

I just tried Civil3D 2013 and it still has the same problem with the attributes falling off. I do not see any solution to this except not to undo a deleted point. Has anyone else had the attributes fall off a point doing anything else?

Message 10 of 29
KTitus
in reply to: zancudo_tj

We're also experiencing this problem - Has anyone developed a work-around? We've tried locking all the points in the dwg but it still removes the user defined values when we delete/undo delete.

Message 11 of 29
KTitus
in reply to: zancudo_tj

We've also reproduced this bug with the explode command

 

- To give a bit more background information:

We're running C3D 2012 SP3

Message 12 of 29
Nrhoads
in reply to: zancudo_tj

I was having a problem with "user properties" too.If I imported points with the points toolbar all was fine but if I imported through survey the "user prop" did not show up in the drawing but it was in the prospector view. Survey somehow created its own user property and when I used that one in my point style the problem went away. I can import points through survey or through the points toolbar and my "user prop" shows up now. Not sure if this is any of you guys propblem but I thought I'd chime in just in case.

 

~Nick

Message 13 of 29
KTitus
in reply to: Nrhoads

Thanks for the input;

 

I am able to duplicate the problem with survey points so perhaps we're talking about differenet issues. I'm not sure if it's noted yet but the custom data on the point that was erased or exploded is still there. It's just erased from all the other points in the drawing.

 

The nice thing about the survey data-base though is that if we lose the custom data it's very easy to re-import. Unfortunately it doesn't help me with sorting through older data.

Message 14 of 29
stevekersey
in reply to: KTitus

Do not delete points graphically any more.
--
Steve Kersey, PLS
Survey Project Manager

CEI
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Bentonville, AR 72712

Phone: 479-273-9472
Cell: 479-295-2163
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Message 15 of 29
KTitus
in reply to: KTitus

So far I can reproduce this bug by deleting the points from the panorama, graphically, or through the all points point group. Is there another method that you're using where the customized cogo point attributes don't dissapear?

Message 16 of 29
stevekersey
in reply to: KTitus

Yes, I delete points individually in prospector or create a group in
prospector by selecting graphically first. A high percentage of our work
is high accuracy GIS with attributes brought into C3D 2012 points with a
classification so we don't take a chance with deleting points graphically.
--
Steve Kersey, PLS
Survey Project Manager

CEI
3108 S.W. Regency Parkway, Suite 2
Bentonville, AR 72712

Phone: 479-273-9472
Cell: 479-295-2163
Solutions for Land and Life
CEIENG.COM
Arkansas | California | Georgia | Louisiana | Minnesota | Pennsylvania |
Texas
This message could contain confidential information. Unless you are the
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Message 17 of 29
KTitus
in reply to: stevekersey

Unfortunately i still reproduce the bug if i delete them with a point group, or via the prospector toolbar / panorama;

 

I should note that it's only when we undo our deletion that the attribute data dissapears. We can delete points and not lose the data; but if we try to revert back to a time prior to the deletion we lose all the customized attributes. Things like raw description, full description, etc are unaffected either way.

Message 18 of 29
stevekersey
in reply to: KTitus

What version of C3D are you using and do you create your classification in
the survey toolbox extended properties and import it into the drawing?
--
Steve Kersey, PLS
Survey Project Manager

CEI
3108 S.W. Regency Parkway, Suite 2
Bentonville, AR 72712

Phone: 479-273-9472
Cell: 479-295-2163
Solutions for Land and Life
CEIENG.COM
Arkansas | California | Georgia | Louisiana | Minnesota | Pennsylvania |
Texas
This message could contain confidential information. Unless you are the
addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not copy,
use, or distribute this information. If you have received this message in
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Message 19 of 29
tdunn3
in reply to: KTitus

Just do not ever make a mistake and delete any points in your drawing!

 

Since I make mistakes everyonce in a while. I had to write a program using Visual Studio that attaches object data tables to our points. I had to write one program to import points and one to export points. 

Message 20 of 29
stevekersey
in reply to: tdunn3

Okay, our data is in Excel. I use VBA macros to export CSV files and C3D
point file formats to read and write to or from the survey toolbox or to
the drawing dasebase. I can then write to C3D tables when we need that.
It may be that any point delete is disconnecting your tables.
--
Steve Kersey, PLS
Survey Project Manager

CEI
3108 S.W. Regency Parkway, Suite 2
Bentonville, AR 72712

Phone: 479-273-9472
Cell: 479-295-2163
Solutions for Land and Life
CEIENG.COM
Arkansas | California | Georgia | Louisiana | Minnesota | Pennsylvania |
Texas
This message could contain confidential information. Unless you are the
addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not copy,
use, or distribute this information. If you have received this message in
error, please advise Steve Kersey, PLS immediately at 1-479-273-9472 or
return it promptly by mail.

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