Plan Production issue - Pt 1, alignment changes

[deltacoolguy]

Plan Production issue - Pt 1, alignment changes

I'm new to the plan production process.  Historically, I've always done it "old school", meaning that I would plan out and create named views, viewports, mviews, etc., all manually.  Some might say it was tedious, but it worked, was simple, and stayed in place.  So, here I am trying plan production in an effort to ***save time***.  I have had several problems, and am sure that some of them are due to my newness in the process.

Anyway, I have an alignment that covers 8 sheets and have made 8 plan & profile sheets.  Got it all set up, and the project manager changed the alignment.  The profiles updated just fine, but this caused all my plan views to no longer match the plan views, match lines, profiles, etc.

How do I get the plan views on the layouts to match again?  If I understand correctly I cannot simply run "Create Frame Views" again and have it link to the already created sheets/layouts.  In the old days I would just adjust my named view, go into the layer vport, and pop it back into place.  I also don't want to run "Create Sheets" again because the profiles are fine, and have a good deal of additional non-dynamic stuff on them now.

I've tried digging into the styles and set-ups for plan views, match lines, etc., but this is some of the most complex and cryptic stuff I have ever seen in Autocad.

Thanks.

[Joe-Bouza · Accepted solution]

You are not going to like this answer.
The developers of the pp tools are assuming that your design is complete and ready for delivery. I paraphrase but that was the answer I got from a SR.
Where as, we are accustomed to setting up the plan sheets up front and then designing, the pp folks anticipated you going through your design and making sheets at the back end of the project.
To my knowledge, you have to re run the sheets for new match lines yada yada

[deltacoolguy]

Thanks, Joe.

You're right.  I don't like the answer, but I accept it as imperfect reality.  In my own humble opinion, this is an area where the program needs a little refinement and flexibility.

[sfore]

I've struggled with the PP Tools as well, but I've found they do save time especially on large jobs.  We do a lot of Sanitary and Water projects.  PP Tools have saved my rear, but have also been a pain in the rear.  I only use them on certain projects where I have long runs of pipe.

I never use my Sanitary or Water alignment to layout out my sheets.  I create a separate "sheet" alignment that positions my sanitary alignment in the middle of my sheets to allot for changes.  If changes are significant enough to where the sanitary goes off sheet view, then I slide sheet down to capture it and then adjust plan viewport. 

I think a lot of folks may use PP tools only when projects are nearing completion, but I use them at the start of a project to quickly hammer out my sheets, matchlines and viewports to give the engineer something to look at quickly.  If I need to adjust, then I adjust.  If it changes so much that simply sliding a sheet up/down won't suffice, then I adjust my "sheet" alignment and rerun everything.

[graf_p]

I always have a hard time convincing the engineer it's a waste of time to create plan & profile sheets using the production tools in the preliminary design phase of a project with all the labels looking "just right". And it's better to wait untill the alignment & profile have been throughly looked at and aprroved before generating sheets with all the labels. They what 100% drawings at the 35% design submittal.

PG

[deltacoolguy]

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@sfore wrote:

I never use my Sanitary or Water alignment to layout out my sheets.  I create a separate "sheet" alignment that positions my sanitary alignment in the middle of my sheets to allot for changes.  If changes are significant enough to where the sanitary goes off sheet view, then I slide sheet down to capture it and then adjust plan viewport.

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This is brilliant in its simplicity.  I have already "fixed" my current project using my 'old school' method, but I am going to do this on the next project.