Dave,
> I just cannot prove
> to ownership its benefits
based on posts in this newsgroups there
seem to be quite a few benefits and good
reasons to go for subscription, one of
which is having C3D available to start
toying around with.
Although still short in some respects C3D offers
significant functionality you can start exploring
and adjusting mindset to new logic and environment.
Also, as already mentioned in this newsgroup, in
order to significantly reduce drafting tasks C3D
offers tremendous amount of settings/styles,
and that itself will require time to get it right.
By being under subscription you get a chance
to start playing with C3D now, get used to it
and set most or all of your styles before 'preview'
designation is removed from C3D title, and once
it is removed you are ready to go, immediately.
just out of curiosity; how do you prove software
benefits to ownership? ... As your organization
you listed "Dave Lewis, Inc". Does that mean
that you are the owner?... are there other
co-owners?
Thanks,
--
Strah @ Langan
"Dave Lewis" wrote in message
news:n8t8pv877dnhmeti7ujq7trjkaavv5e3ja@4ax.com...
> Dave
>
> The thing is this is just one more reason to not want to do the
subscription thing, but
> lets say for argument sake because I do not know the exact pricing. Now I
have LDD 3
> and lets say that to upgrade to LDD 2004 it costs $500. Now I am going to
skip the
> LDD 2004 upgrade and wait for LDD 2005 (lets just pretend this is the next
release) Now
> at the time of LDD 2005 are you going to charge me $500 to upgrade (No)
you are going
> to charge me 2 (two) upgrades which would be $1000. So in effect do I pay
$500 today
> and tomorrow or do I pay $1000 tomorrow. This is how the AutoCAD pricing
structure has
> gone in the past. Now since Autodesk put out a release that is clearly
optional or preview
> why should we pay today or tomorrow for this (2004) release.
>
> Now if we went the subscription method we are basically paying for this
unneeded or preview
> upgrade. I don't think that is fair. But then again Autodesk has proven
over time to not be
> fair but try and milk the most money out of its customers as possible.
>
> I'd love to be on the subscription plan but when things like this happen I
just cannot prove
> to ownership its benefits. Maybe in the future the subscription plan
would be more worth the
> money. Web support and e-lessions are not worth much to me. I have yet
to find any benefits
> to the subscription plan since the express tools were canceled.
>
> "Dave Simeone"
> |>
> |>I can't comment on many of Steve's concerns yet due to various legal and
> |>finance restictions. However...
> |>
> |>One point that I want to be super, super clear about - The "Preview"
> |>designation has nothing to do with why Civil Design customers are
recieving
> |>Civil 3D. The Preview is purely based on the fact that we didn't feel
that
> |>the product was ready for full scale production use. This is partially
> |>because of defects, partialy because all of the supporting infrasture of
a
> |>trained channel, etc and partially because we wanted you folks to spend
time
> |>learning the concepts before trying to slam this into a pressure-filled
> |>production project. I can't say when, but we are working on resolving
> |>defects, training and educational materials, the support infrastructure,
and
> |>other items that will allow us to remove the "Preview" designator. If
you
> |>have LDT/Civil (or Series) with subscription, you'll get the production
> |>version when it is available (not sure if it'll be a downloadable
Service
> |>Pack or if we'll ship new media).
> |>
> |>On a separate note, the subscription program recently went through some
> |>significant changes. This includes web-support and e-lessons. I think
the
> |>point is that product updates is now only one aspect of the program. You
can
> |>learn more at:
>
|>http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/section?siteID=123112&id=613372&wac=I
L1
> |>8078
> |>
> |>As I said, we'll continue to provide details when we can do so...
> |>
> |>Thanks
> |>Dave S
> |>
> |>"Steve Cannon" wrote in message
> |>news:79176CFF5845D4D2408E84B334F2C479@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> |>> Dave,
> |>>
> |>> I seem to have the same status as you - LDTr3 w/o subscription. So
> |>currently
> |>> CD3 is not available to me. My current rationale is as follows: 1) I
can
> |>see
> |>> no return on investment in upgrading to LDTr2004 - nothing there to
> |>motivate
> |>> me as to better tools or a decrease in turn-around time. 2) Autodesk
is
> |>> calling this first release a PREVIEW Edition - not intended for
> |>production,
> |>> so nothing immediately in CD3 to provide an ROI incentive. As I read
this
> |>> NG, it seems that CD3 is intended as a mere public beta. I can not
> |>justify
> |>> in my mind - paying Autodesk to beta test - which is what upgrading to
> |>LDTr4
> |>> and buying a subscription would entail. 3) Some CLEAR intention from
> |>> Autodesk on how they intend to ultimately market this would help my
> |>decision
> |>> making - a) At some time will CD3 be able to bought without a
> |>subscription?
> |>> b) From a marketing stand point how will it separate from LDD? c) Can
we
> |>be
> |>> sure that the PREVIEW edition is just nothing more than that ? - maybe
> |>when
> |>> the production CD3 is released, all the PREVIEW users (testers) may
have
> |>to
> |>> purchase the Real McCoy??? In business, I find betting on future
> |>vaporware
> |>> does not usually work, which is why I never liked the subscription
> |>program.
> |>> It is probably economically wise to wait an evaluate a product before
> |>> putting money into it. If one evaluates the buying decision as a
business
> |>> strategy, NOW does not seem to be the time to invest.
> |>>
> |>> That said and done, I would love to get my hands on CD3 and test drive
it.
> |>> And maybe, if reading this NG showed CD3 was at a higher level of
> |>> completeness, I may have splurged for a play toy. But seeing the
threads
> |>on
> |>> the in-completeness of the grading objects, the lack of roadway
design,
> |>and
> |>> the frequent crashes; my economic conservatism seems to over-shadow
the
> |>kid
> |>> that wants a play toy. I will continue to monitor the NG, watching how
> |>fast
> |>> we see significant patches and added functionality.
> |>>
> |>> sc
> |>>
> |>>
> |>>
> |>> Dave Lewis wrote in message
> |>> news:9bitovcji00e8v0qunplqnlm8r18h7eulb@4ax.com...
> |>> > We are on LDD3 (non subscription) I need to make a recommendation
> |>> > to stay pat or upgrade. So far its do nothing.
> |>> >
> |>> > "Jon Rizzo"
> |>> > |>It IS free. If you own the Civil Series or Civil Design & are on
> |>> > |>subscription, you will receive it. Otherwise, it is not available
at
> |>> all.
> |>> >
> |>>
> |>>
> |>
>
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> Dave Lewis
> CAD Manager
>
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