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*Fred Ernst
Message 11 of 19 (119 Views)

Re: Cross Section Slope Labeling

12-22-2003 03:26 PM in reply to: *Fred Ernst
Road furniture? Lay off the egg nog already, man. Fred
*Fred Ernst
Message 12 of 19 (119 Views)

Re: Cross Section Slope Labeling

12-22-2003 03:36 PM in reply to: *Fred Ernst
Please don't hang up your production progress on accomodating the 3D rendering issues that Laurie mentions. We need tools to ouptut the cardinal data in 2D form first, to help with the submital and review process with our municipal regulators. Thanks, Fred
*scott mceachron
Message 13 of 19 (119 Views)

Re: Cross Section Slope Labeling

12-23-2003 10:56 AM in reply to: *Fred Ernst
I'll assume you are in fact NOT joking and wasn't aware that often times in Austrailia (Lauire's homeland) roadway signage, etc. is referred to as "furniture." :smileywink: sm -- scott mceachron avatech solutions - dallas http://www.avat.com/ Check out Our White Papers: http://www.avatechsolutions.com/resources/papers/ Check out our Technical Tips: http://www.avatechsolutions.com/training/elearning/techtips_action.asp?sgid=3
*Fred Ernst
Message 14 of 19 (119 Views)

Re: Cross Section Slope Labeling

12-23-2003 12:24 PM in reply to: *Fred Ernst
I was actually half-joking. I did not know it was definitively signage, but had an inkling it was some type of road "accessory", if you will. I know he enjoys using the Australian terminology for what "he thinks" of as having an arrogant, denigrating effect on the rest of us, who he views on record as primitives. But I don't like to play his game. Is there an Australian AutoDesk version of the software that uses the Australian terminology in the menu system such as: carriageway, chainage, road furniture, etc.? Fred
*John Coon
Message 15 of 19 (119 Views)

Re: Cross Section Slope Labeling

12-27-2003 05:15 PM in reply to: *Fred Ernst
Chakri, Our Models do not use any point codes or templates, so I don't see how I would be able to tell the section manager what to label other than to create alignments along the angle breaks in the surface. That would be a great deal of work to keep current. You might ask Mike Rogerson (AutoDesk, Manchester, NH) about the surface types we create. Mike worked for my company for many years. I also gave Karen Dowling (AutoDesk, Manchester, NH) & Mike project CD's that should be in Qc \Qa dept. if you want to see the sample surface models & sections John Coon Hoyle Tanner wrote in message news:3fe77096_4@statler... Fred, Laurie and John, Thanks to you all for bringing out this point and carrying on the discussion... We are considering to add "section segment labels" to address these requirements. However this discussion aptly brought out how to apply these labels. From what I hear from this discussion, I noticed see following approaches (please correct me if I missed anything): (a) Label all segments for a selected surface section (or "section" object) as composed in "section segment" labels (b) Label all segments for a selected "section object" within specified group(s) of point codes. A few other ideas we were thinking (as far as our road modelling goes is) that the points (pcodes) forming top-surface (or any other road surfaces) could further be re-used to define many other surfaces, such as "Carriageway surface", "paved shoulder", "daylighting surface" (or whatever names, depending on your function) and perhaps we could derive section objects from each of these and you could label these (each with a kind of label style as you desire) instead of section object from "top-surface". Would this approach address John's concern? John, are you asking - "In abscence of point codes how can I control to label only some of a surface section segments"? If that was your question how about (c) Label all segments for a selected "section object" within specified offset rang(s) from the centerline (labels all segments that are found in that range). We appreciate your input on these, or any other procedure that you would like to see in the product that improves the process. Also, these section segment labels could potentially annotate property fields such as (a) cross-slope, with various types of formatting, (b) width of the segment, (c) offsets of start and end points from centerline etc... Can you please suggest any other typical property fields besides these that your offices would like to see labelled for these segments? Thanks Chakri Product Designer Autodesk "John Coon" wrote in message news:3fe44eb3$1_6@statler... Dave, What type of labeling controls will be available in 3d civil for firm that create surface models for cross sections? How will be able to identify locations on our cross sections for labeling. we create entire finish ground surface models that we then sample with multiple surfaces. We currently use a utility that uses the current alignment and labels on station where the alignment encounters a 3d polyline. It works, but still not very complete. How will we be able to control text sample locations. John Coon Hoyle Tanner Manchester, NH "Dave Simeone" wrote in message news:3fe36e5a_7@statler... Nah - Not quite yet. (at least not physically anyway). I've added this to the corridor modeling/drafting list of requirements. Thanks DAS "Fred Ernst" wrote in message news:3fe20104$1_3@statler... tink..tink.......tink...tink Are you guys on Christmas break already? Fred
*John Coon
Message 16 of 19 (119 Views)

Re: Cross Section Slope Labeling

01-07-2004 04:18 PM in reply to: *Fred Ernst
Chakri, What about some method of labeling features that are not part of the model that you want to represent in your cross sections. like another alignment/setback/ROW that you want to identify in your sections. are there going to be any tools to dim or label they features. We would need to show these features as they relate to our section but might not need to apply a elevation label. John Coon Hoyle Tanner Manchester, NH "John Coon" wrote in message news:3fee2eac_1@statler... Chakri, Our Models do not use any point codes or templates, so I don't see how I would be able to tell the section manager what to label other than to create alignments along the angle breaks in the surface. That would be a great deal of work to keep current. You might ask Mike Rogerson (AutoDesk, Manchester, NH) about the surface types we create. Mike worked for my company for many years. I also gave Karen Dowling (AutoDesk, Manchester, NH) & Mike project CD's that should be in Qc \Qa dept. if you want to see the sample surface models & sections John Coon Hoyle Tanner wrote in message news:3fe77096_4@statler... Fred, Laurie and John, Thanks to you all for bringing out this point and carrying on the discussion... We are considering to add "section segment labels" to address these requirements. However this discussion aptly brought out how to apply these labels. From what I hear from this discussion, I noticed see following approaches (please correct me if I missed anything): (a) Label all segments for a selected surface section (or "section" object) as composed in "section segment" labels (b) Label all segments for a selected "section object" within specified group(s) of point codes. A few other ideas we were thinking (as far as our road modelling goes is) that the points (pcodes) forming top-surface (or any other road surfaces) could further be re-used to define many other surfaces, such as "Carriageway surface", "paved shoulder", "daylighting surface" (or whatever names, depending on your function) and perhaps we could derive section objects from each of these and you could label these (each with a kind of label style as you desire) instead of section object from "top-surface". Would this approach address John's concern? John, are you asking - "In abscence of point codes how can I control to label only some of a surface section segments"? If that was your question how about (c) Label all segments for a selected "section object" within specified offset rang(s) from the centerline (labels all segments that are found in that range). We appreciate your input on these, or any other procedure that you would like to see in the product that improves the process. Also, these section segment labels could potentially annotate property fields such as (a) cross-slope, with various types of formatting, (b) width of the segment, (c) offsets of start and end points from centerline etc... Can you please suggest any other typical property fields besides these that your offices would like to see labelled for these segments? Thanks Chakri Product Designer Autodesk "John Coon" wrote in message news:3fe44eb3$1_6@statler... Dave, What type of labeling controls will be available in 3d civil for firm that create surface models for cross sections? How will be able to identify locations on our cross sections for labeling. we create entire finish ground surface models that we then sample with multiple surfaces. We currently use a utility that uses the current alignment and labels on station where the alignment encounters a 3d polyline. It works, but still not very complete. How will we be able to control text sample locations. John Coon Hoyle Tanner Manchester, NH "Dave Simeone" wrote in message news:3fe36e5a_7@statler... Nah - Not quite yet. (at least not physically anyway). I've added this to the corridor modeling/drafting list of requirements. Thanks DAS "Fred Ernst" wrote in message news:3fe20104$1_3@statler... tink..tink.......tink...tink Are you guys on Christmas break already? Fred
*Chakri Gavini
Message 17 of 19 (119 Views)

Re: Cross Section Slope Labeling

01-12-2004 11:53 AM in reply to: *Fred Ernst
Hi John, It is planned to show Right-Of-Ways as a vertical grid lines in the section views, user can control their display like many other grid lines we currently have in Civil 3D. However at this point I am assuming that ROW is also part of the road model. Would this be sufficient? Would you like to label them too? If so can you elaborate? About other alignments that are no way related to the current road model - how would you like to see them in the section view? as a point at appropriate offset (left or right whichever is the case) or as another grid line in the section view? If these data sets are with our QA team I could collect them from Karen (am forwarding this mail to her too). Thanks or your input Chakri Product Designer - ADSK "John Coon" wrote in message news:3ffca1c0_1@statler... Chakri, What about some method of labeling features that are not part of the model that you want to represent in your cross sections. like another alignment/setback/ROW that you want to identify in your sections. are there going to be any tools to dim or label they features. We would need to show these features as they relate to our section but might not need to apply a elevation label. John Coon Hoyle Tanner Manchester, NH "John Coon" wrote in message news:3fee2eac_1@statler... Chakri, Our Models do not use any point codes or templates, so I don't see how I would be able to tell the section manager what to label other than to create alignments along the angle breaks in the surface. That would be a great deal of work to keep current. You might ask Mike Rogerson (AutoDesk, Manchester, NH) about the surface types we create. Mike worked for my company for many years. I also gave Karen Dowling (AutoDesk, Manchester, NH) & Mike project CD's that should be in Qc \Qa dept. if you want to see the sample surface models & sections John Coon Hoyle Tanner wrote in message news:3fe77096_4@statler... Fred, Laurie and John, Thanks to you all for bringing out this point and carrying on the discussion... We are considering to add "section segment labels" to address these requirements. However this discussion aptly brought out how to apply these labels. From what I hear from this discussion, I noticed see following approaches (please correct me if I missed anything): (a) Label all segments for a selected surface section (or "section" object) as composed in "section segment" labels (b) Label all segments for a selected "section object" within specified group(s) of point codes. A few other ideas we were thinking (as far as our road modelling goes is) that the points (pcodes) forming top-surface (or any other road surfaces) could further be re-used to define many other surfaces, such as "Carriageway surface", "paved shoulder", "daylighting surface" (or whatever names, depending on your function) and perhaps we could derive section objects from each of these and you could label these (each with a kind of label style as you desire) instead of section object from "top-surface". Would this approach address John's concern? John, are you asking - "In abscence of point codes how can I control to label only some of a surface section segments"? If that was your question how about (c) Label all segments for a selected "section object" within specified offset rang(s) from the centerline (labels all segments that are found in that range). We appreciate your input on these, or any other procedure that you would like to see in the product that improves the process. Also, these section segment labels could potentially annotate property fields such as (a) cross-slope, with various types of formatting, (b) width of the segment, (c) offsets of start and end points from centerline etc... Can you please suggest any other typical property fields besides these that your offices would like to see labelled for these segments? Thanks Chakri Product Designer Autodesk "John Coon" wrote in message news:3fe44eb3$1_6@statler... Dave, What type of labeling controls will be available in 3d civil for firm that create surface models for cross sections? How will be able to identify locations on our cross sections for labeling. we create entire finish ground surface models that we then sample with multiple surfaces. We currently use a utility that uses the current alignment and labels on station where the alignment encounters a 3d polyline. It works, but still not very complete. How will we be able to control text sample locations. John Coon Hoyle Tanner Manchester, NH "Dave Simeone" wrote in message news:3fe36e5a_7@statler... Nah - Not quite yet. (at least not physically anyway). I've added this to the corridor modeling/drafting list of requirements. Thanks DAS "Fred Ernst" wrote in message news:3fe20104$1_3@statler... tink..tink.......tink...tink Are you guys on Christmas break already? Fred
*Chakri Gavini
Message 18 of 19 (119 Views)

Re: Cross Section Slope Labeling

01-12-2004 12:34 PM in reply to: *Fred Ernst
Laurie, Interestingly these issues of linemarking and roadside signage were brought in to the discussion by various US and European users too. Also attaching material types to various civil objects through styles came up among us at Autodesk and with users too. This certainly will enhance 3D visualization. Do you want to see for any other features in Civil 3D too? (other than roads). Not making any promise on when they get addressed :smileyhappy: but these items have been identified as requirements. Thanks Chakri Product Designer - ADSK "Laurie Comerford" wrote in message news:3fe77420_5@statler... > Hi Chakri, > > A most important aspect of a road is to be able to display different > components of the top surface with different colours. Hence the > "Carriageway surface, Paved Shoulder etc are essential. > > There also needs to be a linemarking capability so that when preparing 3D > views and drive throughs the road looks meaningfully realistic. > > It also means that road furniture has to be drawn in proper 3D and be able > to automatically insert itself at the road surface. > > > -- > > > Laurie Comerford > CADApps > www.cadapps.com.au > > "Chakri Gavini" wrote in message > news:3fe77096_4@statler... > Fred, Laurie and John, > > Thanks to you all for bringing out this point and carrying on the > discussion... We are considering to add "section segment labels" to address > these requirements. However this discussion aptly brought out how to apply > these labels. From what I hear from this discussion, I noticed see following > approaches (please correct me if I missed anything): > > (a) Label all segments for a selected surface section (or "section" object) > as composed in "section segment" labels > (b) Label all segments for a selected "section object" within specified > group(s) of point codes. > > A few other ideas we were thinking (as far as our road modelling goes is) > that the points (pcodes) forming top-surface (or any other road surfaces) > could further be re-used to define many other surfaces, such as "Carriageway > surface", "paved shoulder", "daylighting surface" (or whatever names, > depending on your function) and perhaps we could derive section objects from > each of these and you could label these (each with a kind of label style as > you desire) instead of section object from "top-surface". Would this > approach address John's concern? > > John, are you asking - "In abscence of point codes how can I control to > label only some of a surface section segments"? If that was your question > how about > > (c) Label all segments for a selected "section object" within specified > offset rang(s) from the centerline (labels all segments that are found in > that range). > > > We appreciate your input on these, or any other procedure that you would > like to see in the product that improves the process. > > > Also, these section segment labels could potentially annotate property > fields such as (a) cross-slope, with various types of formatting, (b) width > of the segment, (c) offsets of start and end points from centerline etc... > Can you please suggest any other typical property fields besides these that > your offices would like to see labelled for these segments? > > > Thanks > Chakri > Product Designer > Autodesk > > > > > > > "John Coon" wrote in message > news:3fe44eb3$1_6@statler... > Dave, > > What type of labeling controls will be available in 3d civil for firm that > create surface models for cross sections? How will be able to identify > locations on our cross sections for labeling. we create entire finish ground > surface models that we then sample with multiple surfaces. We currently use > a utility that uses the current alignment and labels on station where the > alignment encounters a 3d polyline. It works, but still not very complete. > How will we be able to control text sample locations. > > John Coon > Hoyle Tanner > Manchester, NH > > "Dave Simeone" wrote in message > news:3fe36e5a_7@statler... > > Nah - Not quite yet. (at least not physically anyway). I've added this > to the corridor modeling/drafting list of requirements. > > Thanks > DAS > "Fred Ernst" wrote in message > news:3fe20104$1_3@statler... > tink..tink.......tink...tink > > Are you guys on Christmas break already? > > Fred > > > >
*john coon
Message 19 of 19 (119 Views)

Re: Cross Section Slope Labeling

01-14-2004 04:49 AM in reply to: *Fred Ernst
Chakri, Both would be best. having the ability to insert a point or line/grid label like the current ROW TextBox in R3 linked to aligns. You could add a Aligns list for each TextBox/checkbox with a TextBox for the label header. (4 minimum, each side) With the point/grid label feature, It would be EXTREMELY helpful in the production of sections if we could insert a block / symbol at these locations. Look at any DOT cross section and you'll note that over 50 percent of the document is hand labeled with symbols and call outs that the software does not supply. Cross section sheets consist of over 50 percent of an entire sheet count on DOT Highway & Aviation projects. Cross section labeling IS WITHOUT A DOUBT the highest charge for cad time on every project. Too much hand work. We need help! John Coon Hoyle Tanner Manchester, NH "Chakri Gavini" wrote in message news:4002fb37_3@statler... Hi John, It is planned to show Right-Of-Ways as a vertical grid lines in the section views, user can control their display like many other grid lines we currently have in Civil 3D. However at this point I am assuming that ROW is also part of the road model. Would this be sufficient? Would you like to label them too? If so can you elaborate? About other alignments that are no way related to the current road model - how would you like to see them in the section view? as a point at appropriate offset (left or right whichever is the case) or as another grid line in the section view? If these data sets are with our QA team I could collect them from Karen (am forwarding this mail to her too). Thanks or your input Chakri Product Designer - ADSK "John Coon" wrote in message news:3ffca1c0_1@statler... Chakri, What about some method of labeling features that are not part of the model that you want to represent in your cross sections. like another alignment/setback/ROW that you want to identify in your sections. are there going to be any tools to dim or label they features. We would need to show these features as they relate to our section but might not need to apply a elevation label. John Coon Hoyle Tanner Manchester, NH "John Coon" wrote in message news:3fee2eac_1@statler... Chakri, Our Models do not use any point codes or templates, so I don't see how I would be able to tell the section manager what to label other than to create alignments along the angle breaks in the surface. That would be a great deal of work to keep current. You might ask Mike Rogerson (AutoDesk, Manchester, NH) about the surface types we create. Mike worked for my company for many years. I also gave Karen Dowling (AutoDesk, Manchester, NH) & Mike project CD's that should be in Qc \Qa dept. if you want to see the sample surface models & sections John Coon Hoyle Tanner wrote in message news:3fe77096_4@statler... Fred, Laurie and John, Thanks to you all for bringing out this point and carrying on the discussion... We are considering to add "section segment labels" to address these requirements. However this discussion aptly brought out how to apply these labels. From what I hear from this discussion, I noticed see following approaches (please correct me if I missed anything): (a) Label all segments for a selected surface section (or "section" object) as composed in "section segment" labels (b) Label all segments for a selected "section object" within specified group(s) of point codes. A few other ideas we were thinking (as far as our road modelling goes is) that the points (pcodes) forming top-surface (or any other road surfaces) could further be re-used to define many other surfaces, such as "Carriageway surface", "paved shoulder", "daylighting surface" (or whatever names, depending on your function) and perhaps we could derive section objects from each of these and you could label these (each with a kind of label style as you desire) instead of section object from "top-surface". Would this approach address John's concern? John, are you asking - "In abscence of point codes how can I control to label only some of a surface section segments"? If that was your question how about (c) Label all segments for a selected "section object" within specified offset rang(s) from the centerline (labels all segments that are found in that range). We appreciate your input on these, or any other procedure that you would like to see in the product that improves the process. Also, these section segment labels could potentially annotate property fields such as (a) cross-slope, with various types of formatting, (b) width of the segment, (c) offsets of start and end points from centerline etc... Can you please suggest any other typical property fields besides these that your offices would like to see labelled for these segments? Thanks Chakri Product Designer Autodesk "John Coon" wrote in message news:3fe44eb3$1_6@statler... Dave, What type of labeling controls will be available in 3d civil for firm that create surface models for cross sections? How will be able to identify locations on our cross sections for labeling. we create entire finish ground surface models that we then sample with multiple surfaces. We currently use a utility that uses the current alignment and labels on station where the alignment encounters a 3d polyline. It works, but still not very complete. How will we be able to control text sample locations. John Coon Hoyle Tanner Manchester, NH "Dave Simeone" wrote in message news:3fe36e5a_7@statler... Nah - Not quite yet. (at least not physically anyway). I've added this to the corridor modeling/drafting list of requirements. Thanks DAS "Fred Ernst" wrote in message news:3fe20104$1_3@statler... tink..tink.......tink...tink Are you guys on Christmas break already? Fred

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