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Civil 3D & AutoCAD as part of an IDSP install

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nbawden
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Civil 3D & AutoCAD as part of an IDSP install

Our office runs with a combination of Civil 3D (14 seats) and IDSP (2 seats).

 

We have installed IDSP 2014

 

When we run Civil 3D it uses up Civil 3D licences first before grabbing the IDSP licences. This behaviour is as expected.

 

The unusual behaviour occurs when we run AutoCAD (we use Civil 3D for design but only AutoCAD for drafting as it appears to be much quicker handling surfaces in viewports).

 

Upon installing IDSP I noticed that apart from the standard "AutoCAD Civil 3D as AutoCAD" option we got from any Civil 3D install in the past - we also got a completely separate and unique pure AutoCAD install as part of IDSP.

 

What I find weird is that "AutoCAD Civil 3D as AutoCAD" uses up Civil 3D licences first as we would like but vanilla AutoCAD uses only IDSP licences. That seems silly to me as AutoCAD is a lesser part of Civil 3D - they should allow it to use CIvil 3D licences first and not just IDSP

 

The obvious solution is to just ignore the vanilla AutoCAD and just use the "AutoCAD Civil 3D as AutoCAD" option instead. However our reseller informed me that there are some subtle differences between the two. Namely that "AutoCAD Civil 3D as AutoCAD" creates slightly larger files than vanilla AutoCAD as it includes some Civil 3D styles and settings info.

 

Is this the only difference between the two AutoCADs? Should I be aware of anything else? Do I need to have the Civil 3D Object Enabler installed if we are just going to use "AutoCAD Civil 3D as AutoCAD" instead of vanilla AutoCAD?

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neilyj666
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With IDSP, you get the standalone versions of both AutoCAD and Map. I'm aware that Map includes features that are not available in the standalone Civil 3D installation version (i.e. MAP LT...:)) but not sure about AutoCAD

neilyj (No connection with Autodesk other than using the products in the real world)
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AllenJessup
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@neilyj666 wrote:
 not sure about AutoCAD

The AutoCAD with IDSP is core AutoCAD. The only difference I know about is the the Civil 3D OE will be installed while installing IDSP.

 

Allen



Allen Jessup
Engineering Specialist / CAD Manager

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AllenJessup
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nbawden wrote:

 

Is this the only difference between the two AutoCADs? Should I be aware of anything else? Do I need to have the Civil 3D Object Enabler installed if we are just going to use "AutoCAD Civil 3D as AutoCAD" instead of vanilla AutoCAD?


The only real differences is as your reseller noted. AutoCAD Civil 3D as AutoCAD is Civil 3D started with a different Profile and Workspace. It's a little lighter than straight Civil 3D because it doesn't load all the ARX - DLLs and such that Civil will on startup.

 

The base AutoCAD that comes with IDSP is the program you'd get if you just bought AutoCAD. The Civil 3D OE should be installed when IDSP is installed. I just went over that with Support because having the OE installed deactivates some of the commands.

 

Since the core AutoCAD is part of IDSP and is not included with Civil 3D. The core AutoCAD program will take an IDSP license not a Civil 3D license.

 

Allen



Allen Jessup
Engineering Specialist / CAD Manager

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DarrenP
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@nbawden wrote:
What I find weird is that "AutoCAD Civil 3D as AutoCAD" uses up Civil 3D licences first as we would like but vanilla AutoCAD uses only IDSP licences. That seems silly to me as AutoCAD is a lesser part of Civil 3D - they should allow it to use CIvil 3D licences first and not just IDSP

 

 


yes according to the cascading rules

Autocad 2014 will not grab a Civil 3d license it seems this has always been the case

http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/ps/dl/item?siteID=123112&id=21379174&linkID=9242018&CMP=OTC-RSS...

DarrenP
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