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*Anthony Mason
Message 11 of 27 (2,172 Views)

Re: AutoCad Architecture vs Revit Architecture which is better ?

09-18-2009 08:19 AM in reply to: goldcamaro
My sentiments exactly.

David_W._Koch wrote:
> I agree with much of what Matt has said, but I would take issue with the statement on drawing incorrectly. In addition to the fact that nothing is foolproof (because fools are so ingenious), I find drawing acurately in Revit to be extremely difficult, particularly placing an object where I want it the first time. The temporary dimensions can be useful, but they always seem to go to a different object than the one from which I want to dimension. I find myself drawing a lot more temporary construction lines to be able to figure out where things should go. (It does not help that the first Revit project on which I am working has a radial structural grid - both long-side exterior walls are convex, so the wall angles change from room to room on the exterior rooms.) The automatic alignment thingy (equivalent to Object Snap Tracking in ACA/AutoCAD) is nice, when it works, but I find it often does not choose the alignment point I want, and I have yet to find a way to control it
(if it can be controlled - I use the Shift to Acquire option in ACA to avoid getting points I do not want). And it appears that text only aligns with other text, not linework, which is really frustrating. View clipping and sheet composition also is all eyeballing, no precision or ability to reproduce the exact same results.
>
> Perhaps much of my frustration stems from my newbie status with Revit, but I really miss having an exposed coordinate system. The project I am on has multiple linked files (created by others outside my firm), and we have had a hard time getting them aligned properly (no insertion points!).
>
> I am still too green to comment on the control of graphics and visibility, but currently find this somewhat frustrating. But I am liking the way you can create parametrically driven content.
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goldcamaro
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Registered: ‎09-16-2009
Message 12 of 27 (2,172 Views)

Re: AutoCad Architecture vs Revit Architecture which is better ?

09-18-2009 08:33 AM in reply to: goldcamaro
Does any one have a guess at how long it would take to pick up Revit Architecture coming from a ACA (3 yrs), DataCAD (13 yrs) background? I know it depends on several things constant use and one's own ability too. I'm kind of looking just for a possible ball park figure. And I thank everyone for there input on ACA to Revit! David J. B.
*Brian Harder
Message 13 of 27 (2,172 Views)

Re: AutoCad Architecture vs Revit Architecture which is better ?

09-21-2009 06:04 AM in reply to: goldcamaro
Thanks for that observation. That's probably similar to what I find
difficult about Sketchup. I love the simplistic nature of that program, but
it drives me crazy too because its always snapping to stuff I don't want to
snap to. Call me a control freak, but control is what I like about AutoCAD
based solutions. I want to be the one who decides what where and when every
last element of the design is placed; not the software and not some
programmer, no matter how skilled and talented that programmer may be.
-Brian Harder


wrote in message news:6256809@discussion.autodesk.com...
I agree with much of what Matt has said, but I would take issue with the
statement on drawing incorrectly. In addition to the fact that nothing is
foolproof (because fools are so ingenious), I find drawing acurately in
Revit to be extremely difficult, particularly placing an object where I want
it the first time. The temporary dimensions can be useful, but they always
seem to go to a different object than the one from which I want to
dimension. I find myself drawing a lot more temporary construction lines to
be able to figure out where things should go. (It does not help that the
first Revit project on which I am working has a radial structural grid -
both long-side exterior walls are convex, so the wall angles change from
room to room on the exterior rooms.) The automatic alignment thingy
(equivalent to Object Snap Tracking in ACA/AutoCAD) is nice, when it works,
but I find it often does not choose the alignment point I want, and I have
yet to find a way to control it (if it can be controlled - I use the Shift
to Acquire option in ACA to avoid getting points I do not want). And it
appears that text only aligns with other text, not linework, which is really
frustrating. View clipping and sheet composition also is all eyeballing, no
precision or ability to reproduce the exact same results.

Perhaps much of my frustration stems from my newbie status with Revit, but I
really miss having an exposed coordinate system. The project I am on has
multiple linked files (created by others outside my firm), and we have had a
hard time getting them aligned properly (no insertion points!).

I am still too green to comment on the control of graphics and visibility,
but currently find this somewhat frustrating. But I am liking the way you
can create parametrically driven content.
*Dean Saadallah
Message 14 of 27 (2,172 Views)

Re: AutoCad Architecture vs Revit Architecture which is better ?

09-21-2009 06:05 AM in reply to: goldcamaro
Depends on how good your teaching environment is, and whether you use it
every day or not. It takes about as long to "get" as ACA under comparable
conditions: what was your experience there?

--
Dean Saadallah
http://LTisACAD.blogspot.com
--
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goldcamaro
Posts: 9
Registered: ‎09-16-2009
Message 15 of 27 (2,172 Views)

Re: AutoCad Architecture vs Revit Architecture which is better ?

09-21-2009 04:22 PM in reply to: goldcamaro
Thanks for your reply.
We were on DataCAD 11 back in 2006 and switched over to ACA 2006 that year. I had some AutoCAD before that R11 & R12 so that helped with ACA 2006. It took me about 1 1/2 years to get comfortable with ACA. My last ACA was 2010 and it was nice.

I just started this Morning an online course for Revit Architecture 2010 Core Concepts thru Avatech. I have 3 days of it cramming down my throat. My head is swimming with just what I learned this first day. It is different but not to much just learning all the commands is overwhelming and trying to remember everything is daunting. I'll have to practice with the Student version I downloaded to sharpen my skills. I'll or I hope I get a better feel of Revit after Wednesday. I'm still liking ACA but I have to give Revit a chance!
David
*Matt Stachoni
Message 16 of 27 (2,172 Views)

Re: AutoCad Architecture vs Revit Architecture which is better ?

09-22-2009 06:08 AM in reply to: goldcamaro
I agree w/David as well. The inability to finely control placement of objects as
well as you can in AutoCAD is irritating. For non-orthogonal stuff I use the
spacebar to acquire the correct angle (for placing a bed along an angled wall,
for example). I also use the ALIGN command like crazy.

But for drawing large-scale things (like walls), I generally find it much easier
and accurate than AutoCAD/ACA; what I don't see as much of is the teeny-tiny-
off-by-1/256" crap that I did previously.

Matt
matt@stachoni.com


On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:19:22 +0000, Anthony Mason
wrote:

>My sentiments exactly.
>
>David_W._Koch wrote:
>> I agree with much of what Matt has said, but I would take issue with the statement on drawing incorrectly. In addition to the fact that nothing is foolproof (because fools are so ingenious), I find drawing acurately in Revit to be extremely difficult, particularly placing an object where I want it the first time. The temporary dimensions can be useful, but they always seem to go to a different object than the one from which I want to dimension. I find myself drawing a lot more temporary construction lines to be able to figure out where things should go. (It does not help that the first Revit project on which I am working has a radial structural grid - both long-side exterior walls are convex, so the wall angles change from room to room on the exterior rooms.) The automatic alignment thingy (equivalent to Object Snap Tracking in ACA/AutoCAD) is nice, when it works, but I find it often does not choose the alignment point I want, and I have yet to find a way to control it
> (if it can be controlled - I use the Shift to Acquire option in ACA to avoid getting points I do not want). And it appears that text only aligns with other text, not linework, which is really frustrating. View clipping and sheet composition also is all eyeballing, no precision or ability to reproduce the exact same results.
>>
>> Perhaps much of my frustration stems from my newbie status with Revit, but I really miss having an exposed coordinate system. The project I am on has multiple linked files (created by others outside my firm), and we have had a hard time getting them aligned properly (no insertion points!).
>>
>> I am still too green to comment on the control of graphics and visibility, but currently find this somewhat frustrating. But I am liking the way you can create parametrically driven content.
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JayMoore
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Message 17 of 27 (2,173 Views)

Re: AutoCad Architecture vs Revit Architecture which is better ?

09-22-2009 07:05 AM in reply to: goldcamaro
A word of caution with either platform. You need to take into consideration who you share your files with downstream. Many, many, many contractors are still on R14 and 2000 platforms so if you are driving the Ferrari and they are expecting you to show up in a crew-cab Ford truck you will have plenty of problems. Do a short survey with your downstream users and find out what they are using so you can be pre-prepared to handle their objections to your BIM world interfering with their good ole boy CAD world :smileyhappy:

Also, consider any 3rd party application enchancements you use or like to use in the AutoCAD or AutoCAD Architecture world. Revit still lacks a robust API for developers to work with so your enhancement potential outside of Autodesk will be limited vs. that in ACA. I hear some say Revit needs no 3rd party enhancements but I have yet to find any program that provides everything that all niche industry needs require from the primary developer.

My personal recommendation would be to work with what you know can make you money today and through the next 3-4 years. If you don't share your docs with many downstream users and don't require many or any 3rd party enhancements, have longer timelines to complete construction docs, do primary commercial to light commercial work, then I think Revit would be a good choice. If not I would think you want to keep your 80% attention on AutoCAD / ACA with 20% on learning the basics of Revit and preparing for the possible future that it may bring.

Nothing is a given and right now people need assurances and I believe that for the greatest majority of persons in the building industry that AutoCAD and the DWG file still offer the most assurance in a very challanged economic period. And anyboyd that tells you ACA cannot BIMit they are playing on the oldest marketing / sales game of fear mongering. ACA and Revit are both excellent BIM programs that have different paths to BIM use but for all practical purposes the are simply different sides of the same coin.

In short, it is not really a case of "which one is better?" They are both better. Is is really a case of "which one is better for you?"
*Anthony Mason
Message 18 of 27 (2,173 Views)

Re: AutoCad Architecture vs Revit Architecture which is better ?

09-22-2009 07:43 AM in reply to: goldcamaro
Yes, Revit's solution to this problem is so much more elegant than
AutoCAD's SNAP sysvar.

Matt Stachoni wrote:
> what I don't see as much of is the teeny-tiny-
> off-by-1/256" crap that I did previously.
*Antti
Message 19 of 27 (2,173 Views)

Re: AutoCad Architecture vs Revit Architecture which is better ?

09-24-2009 01:37 AM in reply to: goldcamaro
A person who works said that Revit Architecture is the BIM program of
Autodesk for architects and ACA is an AutoCAD based CAD-program for
architects. Furthermore he said that e.g. HVAC applications for BIM are
developed on Revit platform.

"goldcamaro" kirjoitti viestissä news:6255423@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hello to all I have a question on AutoCAD Architecture vs Revit Architecture
which is better? I have recently have been laid off after 15 years plus. I
currently use AutoCAD Architecture 2010 and have DataCAD experience too. I
started out on Board Drafting but love the CAD side of it much better. I'm
looking to enhance my CAD skills and was wondering if anyone can tell me
about Revit Architecture software? I have no experience and knowledge of it.
Is it any better easier to use then AutoCAD? Where I worked we did not get
into the 3D side for building renderings but with the economy bad I'm
looking to enhance my CAD skills to better obtain a new job! I would like to
possibly take a CAD course to learn 3D rendering skills. Any input on this
will be most helpful.
Thanks! DJB
*Antti
Message 20 of 27 (2,173 Views)

Re: AutoCad Architecture vs Revit Architecture which is better ?

09-24-2009 01:40 AM in reply to: goldcamaro
(correction..)
A person who works FOR AUTODESK said that Revit Architecture is the BIM
program of
Autodesk for architects and ACA is an AutoCAD based CAD-program for
architects. Furthermore he said that e.g. HVAC applications for BIM are
developed on Revit platform.

"goldcamaro" kirjoitti viestissä news:6255423@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hello to all I have a question on AutoCAD Architecture vs Revit Architecture
which is better? I have recently have been laid off after 15 years plus. I
currently use AutoCAD Architecture 2010 and have DataCAD experience too. I
started out on Board Drafting but love the CAD side of it much better. I'm
looking to enhance my CAD skills and was wondering if anyone can tell me
about Revit Architecture software? I have no experience and knowledge of it.
Is it any better easier to use then AutoCAD? Where I worked we did not get
into the 3D side for building renderings but with the economy bad I'm
looking to enhance my CAD skills to better obtain a new job! I would like to
possibly take a CAD course to learn 3D rendering skills. Any input on this
will be most helpful.
Thanks! DJB

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