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JMoore
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Message 21 of 42 (154 Views)

Re: ADT: "Killing me softly "

09-12-2008 09:29 AM in reply to: *Pedro Aroso
True but the large issue here is the fine line between selling and harassing that many people are experiencing and growing tired of.
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TerryThomas
Posts: 551
Registered: ‎11-01-2003
Message 22 of 42 (154 Views)

Re: ADT: "Killing me softly "

09-12-2008 11:52 AM in reply to: *Pedro Aroso
Hi Tom,
I wonder how you cope using revit for renovation and alteration work? If you have to model the existing property before adding the new work do you find it easier in ACA or revit. I have to deal with a wide variety of properties and sometimes I have to draw in some detail on the elevations. Have you managed to complete the transition?

TerryT
*Tom DeMita
Message 23 of 42 (154 Views)

Re: ADT: "Killing me softly "

09-12-2008 01:22 PM in reply to: *Pedro Aroso
I am staying with ACA for now. I do have a licensed version of Revit. Since
I am not working in a muntinless society, my clients have me change the
patterns often to their liking. It is important to them.
I try and draw as much detail in 3D objects as I can so I can show a 3D dwf
that my clients can view. Some of the remodel/additions are over a million
US dollars and some clients expect the renderings. I do small jobs as well
like a temporary building for the fire department to do test burns and give
them a rendering as well.

Tom


"TerryThomas" wrote in message news:6030510@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hi Tom,
I wonder how you cope using revit for renovation and alteration work? If
you have to model the existing property before adding the new work do you
find it easier in ACA or revit. I have to deal with a wide variety of
properties and sometimes I have to draw in some detail on the elevations.
Have you managed to complete the transition?

TerryT
*Tom DeMita
Message 24 of 42 (154 Views)

Re: ADT: "Killing me softly "

09-12-2008 01:53 PM in reply to: *Pedro Aroso
That one feature is why Revit sits on the shelf for me. It would take me
hours what I can do in a couple of minutes in ACA. I don't like Revit grid
command as well.



"Scott Davis - Autodesk" wrote in message
news:6030215@discussion.autodesk.com...
Lets not get into another "This product can do this one particular function
faster than the other" battle. Feature-by-feature comparisons of any
software are worthless. It's about the entire package and what one can do
with it.
*Nathan
Message 25 of 42 (154 Views)

Re: ADT: "Killing me softly "

09-12-2008 04:43 PM in reply to: *Pedro Aroso
or how about just changing the swing on a door! :-) lol


"Tom DeMita" wrote in message
news:6030138@discussion.autodesk.com...
Pedro,

The next time a dealer calls you, ask them to make some doors and windows
with multiple mutin grid patterns. Give him some odd ones. After he spends
several hours, show him how quickly it can be done with ACA.

Tom



"Pedro Aroso" wrote in message
news:6028869@discussion.autodesk.com...
Jay,

In Portuguese, "Pura Vida" means "Pure Life". I suppose the Spanish write it
in the same way, but the accent is completely . Anyway, I presume you mean
"Real life" , so the translation should be "Vida real". Thanks for the
effort.

As you may understand, I love ADT and I don't want to change. The question
is: it's very annoying to receive emails from dealers, almost everyday,
telling me to move to Revit.
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TerryThomas
Posts: 551
Registered: ‎11-01-2003
Message 26 of 42 (154 Views)

Re: ADT: "Killing me softly "

09-13-2008 03:44 AM in reply to: *Pedro Aroso
Tom,
Yes - 3ddwf is the cat`s pyjamas!
It is the vast diversity of properties I encounter and have to replicate that is a challenge.

I wrote a long reply but decided to cancel it as it was too negative.
Suffice to say I will not subscribe to various deckchair arrangements.
Ironically Paul Aubin is coming to the UK but no doubt for the coronation of the new king rather than to attend a wake.
*Scott Davis - Autodesk
Message 27 of 42 (154 Views)

Re: ADT: "Killing me softly "

09-14-2008 08:34 AM in reply to: *Pedro Aroso
Exactly my point. You shouldn't make that decision on one function. Its
about the entire package.

"Tom DeMita" wrote in message
news:6030625@discussion.autodesk.com...
That one feature is why Revit sits on the shelf for me. It would take me
hours what I can do in a couple of minutes in ACA. I don't like Revit grid
command as well.



"Scott Davis - Autodesk" wrote in message
news:6030215@discussion.autodesk.com...
Lets not get into another "This product can do this one particular function
faster than the other" battle. Feature-by-feature comparisons of any
software are worthless. It's about the entire package and what one can do
with it.
Distinguished Contributor
TerryThomas
Posts: 551
Registered: ‎11-01-2003
Message 28 of 42 (154 Views)

Re: ADT: "Killing me softly "

09-15-2008 12:38 AM in reply to: *Pedro Aroso
Scott,
While I admire your long held evangelism for revit it is you that has missed the point.
(I hope I am right in thinking that you used revit in anger before you worked for Autodesk).
The problem is that for renovation and alteration work the time taken to model is disproportionate because it can be different each time. If the variation can be modelled quickly it is not such a problem but often it takes a long time to set up. However I would not want to be without 3D as it highlights potential difficulties -but why change, pay more and relearn from stratch?
Better the devil you know (and coerce - occasionally)
*Tom DeMita
Message 29 of 42 (154 Views)

Re: ADT: "Killing me softly "

09-15-2008 07:18 AM in reply to: *Pedro Aroso
I don't think that you get it. That one function made my decision not to use
Revit. Revit takes too much time to make mutins. That makes the entire
package, "Revit", slower than ACA.
Making all of those families of doors & windows alone would take longer than
the time I could complete a permitable set of drawings with ACA. If you live
in a "muntinless" society, go ahead and use Revit.



"Scott Davis - Autodesk" wrote in message
news:6031011@discussion.autodesk.com...
Exactly my point. You shouldn't make that decision on one function. Its
about the entire package.

"Tom DeMita" wrote in message
news:6030625@discussion.autodesk.com...
That one feature is why Revit sits on the shelf for me. It would take me
hours what I can do in a couple of minutes in ACA. I don't like Revit grid
command as well.



"Scott Davis - Autodesk" wrote in message
news:6030215@discussion.autodesk.com...
Lets not get into another "This product can do this one particular function
faster than the other" battle. Feature-by-feature comparisons of any
software are worthless. It's about the entire package and what one can do
with it.
*Scott Davis - Autodesk
Message 30 of 42 (154 Views)

Re: ADT: "Killing me softly "

09-15-2008 04:27 PM in reply to: *Pedro Aroso
Then you have found the best fit for you, which is what its all about.

For the benefit of anyone else that thinks Revit cannot do muntins because
the process is too long:

I would make one muntin family that is parametric that can be any number of
muntin combinations. This family would then be nested into my door and
window families (much like nested xrefs as an analogy) where it could be
controlled from within any project. So in maybe half a day, I could create
something that is completely parametric and easy to control, without having
to create special door and window families for each and every style I have.
Just like learning any software, in the beginning it can seem like a
daunting task until you learn the correct process. Yes, creating a special
familiy for every window and door would take some time, but the point is you
don't have to do that.

"Tom DeMita" wrote in message
news:6031245@discussion.autodesk.com...
I don't think that you get it. That one function made my decision not to use
Revit. Revit takes too much time to make mutins. That makes the entire
package, "Revit", slower than ACA.
Making all of those families of doors & windows alone would take longer than
the time I could complete a permitable set of drawings with ACA. If you live
in a "muntinless" society, go ahead and use Revit.



"Scott Davis - Autodesk" wrote in message
news:6031011@discussion.autodesk.com...
Exactly my point. You shouldn't make that decision on one function. Its
about the entire package.

"Tom DeMita" wrote in message
news:6030625@discussion.autodesk.com...
That one feature is why Revit sits on the shelf for me. It would take me
hours what I can do in a couple of minutes in ACA. I don't like Revit grid
command as well.



"Scott Davis - Autodesk" wrote in message
news:6030215@discussion.autodesk.com...
Lets not get into another "This product can do this one particular function
faster than the other" battle. Feature-by-feature comparisons of any
software are worthless. It's about the entire package and what one can do
with it.

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