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*James Maeding
Message 1 of 24 (166 Views)

Do you still have to explode LDT (AEC...) objects from 2007 to get working drawings in 2006?

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03-22-2006 10:46 PM
This was an issue between 2006 and 2002.
I know this is related to LDT, but I am guessing Adesk can answer this.
It would be a huge deal if it was no longer a problem, as this totally screwed up the transition to 2004+ from 2002-
James Maeding
Civil Engineer and Programmer
jmaeding - athunsaker - com
*melanie stone
Message 2 of 24 (166 Views)

Re: Do you still have to explode LDT (AEC...) objects from 2007 to get working drawings in 2006?

03-23-2006 06:16 AM in reply to: *James Maeding
i'm not sure how exactly the tool works, but AECTOACAD will certainly be a
better tool than exploding

see a snippet from the help file here...
http://mistressofthedorkness.blogspot.com/2006/03/what-to-expect-with-autocad-2007-my.html

"James Maeding" wrote in message
news:5119122@discussion.autodesk.com...
This was an issue between 2006 and 2002.
I know this is related to LDT, but I am guessing Adesk can answer this.
It would be a huge deal if it was no longer a problem, as this totally
screwed up the transition to 2004+ from 2002-
James Maeding
Civil Engineer and Programmer
jmaeding - athunsaker - com
*James Maeding
Message 3 of 24 (166 Views)

Re: Do you still have to explode LDT (AEC...) objects from 2007 to get working drawings in 2006?

03-23-2006 08:15 AM in reply to: *James Maeding
Great, that indicates the issue was not taken care of, we still have to have some special (slow) step to convert down.
Doesn't Autodesk realize - If a simple saveas does not make a drawing that always works in the version below, then
SAVEAS is broken!
How can Autodesk, yes, Sean Hurly, Dave Simeone...all the people at Autodesk at the top of departments....consider this
a good thing???
I will continue to hammer on this as the beginner autocad users do not understand this problem, they only understand
their drawings don't work. Oh, believe me, they are on subscription, there is no money to gain by these antics, other
than the Adesk programmer time saved.
What Adesk does not understand is that they are creating a roadblock to business.
That hurts them and it scares the heck out of anyone thinking of going to Civil 3D.
Why can't the batch drawing converter, or saveas, watch for the bad AEC objects, or any AEC objects and explode them?
And how about at the same time it kills excess App ID's and excess layer filters?
Now that would be some subscription money put to good use!

There are some good things going on at Autodesk, and there is no reason to jump on these old issues and fix them to
unclog the pipes leading to actually using new acad versions.


melanie stone
|>i'm not sure how exactly the tool works, but AECTOACAD will certainly be a
|>better tool than exploding
|>
|>see a snippet from the help file here...
|>http://mistressofthedorkness.blogspot.com/2006/03/what-to-expect-with-autocad-2007-my.html
|>
|>"James Maeding" wrote in message
|>news:5119122@discussion.autodesk.com...
|>This was an issue between 2006 and 2002.
|>I know this is related to LDT, but I am guessing Adesk can answer this.
|>It would be a huge deal if it was no longer a problem, as this totally
|>screwed up the transition to 2004+ from 2002-
|>James Maeding
|>Civil Engineer and Programmer
|>jmaeding - athunsaker - com
James Maeding
Civil Engineer and Programmer
jmaeding - athunsaker - com
*James Maeding
Message 4 of 24 (166 Views)

Re: Do you still have to explode LDT (AEC...) objects from 2007 to get working drawings in 2006?

03-23-2006 08:18 AM in reply to: *James Maeding
oops, change that last sentence to "no reason NOT to jump...and fix them...."


James Maeding
|>Great, that indicates the issue was not taken care of, we still have to have some special (slow) step to convert down.
|>Doesn't Autodesk realize - If a simple saveas does not make a drawing that always works in the version below, then
|>SAVEAS is broken!
|>How can Autodesk, yes, Sean Hurly, Dave Simeone...all the people at Autodesk at the top of departments....consider this
|>a good thing???
|>I will continue to hammer on this as the beginner autocad users do not understand this problem, they only understand
|>their drawings don't work. Oh, believe me, they are on subscription, there is no money to gain by these antics, other
|>than the Adesk programmer time saved.
|>What Adesk does not understand is that they are creating a roadblock to business.
|>That hurts them and it scares the heck out of anyone thinking of going to Civil 3D.
|>Why can't the batch drawing converter, or saveas, watch for the bad AEC objects, or any AEC objects and explode them?
|>And how about at the same time it kills excess App ID's and excess layer filters?
|>Now that would be some subscription money put to good use!
|>
|>There are some good things going on at Autodesk, and there is no reason to jump on these old issues and fix them to
|>unclog the pipes leading to actually using new acad versions.
|>
|>
|>melanie stone
|>|>i'm not sure how exactly the tool works, but AECTOACAD will certainly be a
|>|>better tool than exploding
|>|>
|>|>see a snippet from the help file here...
|>|>http://mistressofthedorkness.blogspot.com/2006/03/what-to-expect-with-autocad-2007-my.html
|>|>
|>|>"James Maeding" wrote in message
|>|>news:5119122@discussion.autodesk.com...
|>|>This was an issue between 2006 and 2002.
|>|>I know this is related to LDT, but I am guessing Adesk can answer this.
|>|>It would be a huge deal if it was no longer a problem, as this totally
|>|>screwed up the transition to 2004+ from 2002-
|>|>James Maeding
|>|>Civil Engineer and Programmer
|>|>jmaeding - athunsaker - com
|>James Maeding
|>Civil Engineer and Programmer
|>jmaeding - athunsaker - com
James Maeding
Civil Engineer and Programmer
jmaeding - athunsaker - com
*Rick Moore
Message 5 of 24 (166 Views)

Re: Do you still have to explode LDT (AEC...) objects from 2007 to get working drawings in 2006?

03-23-2006 08:28 AM in reply to: *James Maeding
I agree, James. I still believe that a vertical's filetype should be a
different prefix than .DWG if it has AEC onjects in it. Only a properly
exported file should be called a DWG. If our consultants' cad monkeys
realized they couldn't give us a .ADT or .C3D file it would make life easier
on us.
*adtuser
Message 6 of 24 (166 Views)

Re: Do you still have to explode LDT (AEC...) objects from 2007 to get working drawings in 2006?

03-23-2006 09:28 AM in reply to: *James Maeding
James,
Can you better explain what you feel the problem is(sans rants)?
ACAD2007 can open ADT2007 drawings. ACAD'rs can see
exactly what ADT'rs see. If ACAD'rs don't like what they see,
then they can dumb the ADT/ABS drawings down. What more
could you want? IOW, what exactly is wrong with working in
ACAD 2007 on ADT base objects?

When I open an ADT2007 drawing with ACAD2007, it just loads
a few more modules, pausing only a second or two. What are you
seeing?

The backward compatibility requirement isn't reasonable if there is
no analog to the new behavior in the old file. That said, I haven't had
any problem saving to 2004 or even back to R12. Etransmit seems
to work well also in sending drawings to consultants who have earlier
versions of drawings and/or who need them exploded.

If I'm working with other people who can't or wont upgrade, I can
use any previous ACAD/ADT version to do the project. Autodesk has
also provided a drawing viewer that can open any version of the CAD,
I believe, which puts the onus on those who don't upgrade rather than
on those who do to do the conversions.

When allocating design and development dollars, I want Autodesk
to spend their time developing solutions to give me more capabilities,
not spin their wheels trying to protect those who won't upgrade.

Regards.

"James Maeding" wrote in message
news:5119602@discussion.autodesk.com...
Great, that indicates the issue was not taken care of, we still have to have some
special (slow) step to convert down.
Doesn't Autodesk realize - If a simple saveas does not make a drawing that always
works in the version below, then
SAVEAS is broken!
How can Autodesk, yes, Sean Hurly, Dave Simeone...all the people at Autodesk at the
top of departments....consider this
a good thing???
I will continue to hammer on this as the beginner autocad users do not understand
this problem, they only understand
their drawings don't work. Oh, believe me, they are on subscription, there is no
money to gain by these antics, other
than the Adesk programmer time saved.
What Adesk does not understand is that they are creating a roadblock to business.
That hurts them and it scares the heck out of anyone thinking of going to Civil 3D.
Why can't the batch drawing converter, or saveas, watch for the bad AEC objects, or
any AEC objects and explode them?
And how about at the same time it kills excess App ID's and excess layer filters?
Now that would be some subscription money put to good use!

There are some good things going on at Autodesk, and there is no reason to jump on
these old issues and fix them to
unclog the pipes leading to actually using new acad versions.


melanie stone
|>i'm not sure how exactly the tool works, but AECTOACAD will certainly be a
|>better tool than exploding
|>
|>see a snippet from the help file here...
|>http://mistressofthedorkness.blogspot.com/2006/03/what-to-expect-with-autocad-2007-
my.html
|>
|>"James Maeding" wrote in message
|>news:5119122@discussion.autodesk.com...
|>This was an issue between 2006 and 2002.
|>I know this is related to LDT, but I am guessing Adesk can answer this.
|>It would be a huge deal if it was no longer a problem, as this totally
|>screwed up the transition to 2004+ from 2002-
|>James Maeding
|>Civil Engineer and Programmer
|>jmaeding - athunsaker - com
James Maeding
Civil Engineer and Programmer
jmaeding - athunsaker - com
*Ralph Sanchez
Message 7 of 24 (166 Views)

Re: Do you still have to explode LDT (AEC...) objects from 2007 to get working drawings in 2006?

03-23-2006 01:58 PM in reply to: *James Maeding
I definitely agree with James' wish.

In simple terms: As James mentioned, most novice users don't understand why
"save as 2000" doesn't always just work. In Land Desktop 2006, if you "save
as" AutoCAD 2000, then the resulting file still isn't compatible with Land
Desktop 3 (even though LDT3 normally uses r2000 DWGs). From LDT 2006, the
only way to produce a file that can be opened in LDD2, LDD2i or LDT3 is to
first explode all of the AEC objects, which is obviously counterproductive
in most cases.

--
Ralph Sanchez
http://www.texupport.net
--


"adtuser" wrote in message
news:5119767@discussion.autodesk.com...
James,
Can you better explain what you feel the problem is(sans rants)?
ACAD2007 can open ADT2007 drawings. ACAD'rs can see
exactly what ADT'rs see. If ACAD'rs don't like what they see,
then they can dumb the ADT/ABS drawings down. What more
could you want? IOW, what exactly is wrong with working in
ACAD 2007 on ADT base objects?

When I open an ADT2007 drawing with ACAD2007, it just loads
a few more modules, pausing only a second or two. What are you
seeing?

The backward compatibility requirement isn't reasonable if there is
no analog to the new behavior in the old file. That said, I haven't had
any problem saving to 2004 or even back to R12. Etransmit seems
to work well also in sending drawings to consultants who have earlier
versions of drawings and/or who need them exploded.

If I'm working with other people who can't or wont upgrade, I can
use any previous ACAD/ADT version to do the project. Autodesk has
also provided a drawing viewer that can open any version of the CAD,
I believe, which puts the onus on those who don't upgrade rather than
on those who do to do the conversions.

When allocating design and development dollars, I want Autodesk
to spend their time developing solutions to give me more capabilities,
not spin their wheels trying to protect those who won't upgrade.

Regards.

"James Maeding" wrote in message
news:5119602@discussion.autodesk.com...
Great, that indicates the issue was not taken care of, we still have to have
some
special (slow) step to convert down.
Doesn't Autodesk realize - If a simple saveas does not make a drawing that
always
works in the version below, then
SAVEAS is broken!
How can Autodesk, yes, Sean Hurly, Dave Simeone...all the people at Autodesk
at the
top of departments....consider this
a good thing???
I will continue to hammer on this as the beginner autocad users do not
understand
this problem, they only understand
their drawings don't work. Oh, believe me, they are on subscription, there
is no
money to gain by these antics, other
than the Adesk programmer time saved.
What Adesk does not understand is that they are creating a roadblock to
business.
That hurts them and it scares the heck out of anyone thinking of going to
Civil 3D.
Why can't the batch drawing converter, or saveas, watch for the bad AEC
objects, or
any AEC objects and explode them?
And how about at the same time it kills excess App ID's and excess layer
filters?
Now that would be some subscription money put to good use!

There are some good things going on at Autodesk, and there is no reason to
jump on
these old issues and fix them to
unclog the pipes leading to actually using new acad versions.


melanie stone
|>i'm not sure how exactly the tool works, but AECTOACAD will certainly be a
|>better tool than exploding
|>
|>see a snippet from the help file here...
|>http://mistressofthedorkness.blogspot.com/2006/03/what-to-expect-with-autocad-2007-
my.html
|>
|>"James Maeding" wrote in message
|>news:5119122@discussion.autodesk.com...
|>This was an issue between 2006 and 2002.
|>I know this is related to LDT, but I am guessing Adesk can answer this.
|>It would be a huge deal if it was no longer a problem, as this totally
|>screwed up the transition to 2004+ from 2002-
|>James Maeding
|>Civil Engineer and Programmer
|>jmaeding - athunsaker - com
James Maeding
Civil Engineer and Programmer
jmaeding - athunsaker - com
*Ralph Sanchez
Message 8 of 24 (166 Views)

Re: Do you still have to explode LDT (AEC...) objects from 2007 to get working drawings in 2006?

03-23-2006 02:10 PM in reply to: *James Maeding
For those who have read my posts in the past or visited my website, it's
pretty evident that I'm a huge critic of the existing bugs that have been
around for years. I have to give credit where credit is due, though - For
controlling AppIDs and Named Layer Filters, we really have seen progress
from Autodesk over the last several releases. I believe in 2004 named layer
filters stopped being contagious (although they never should have been in
the first place). 2005 added the ability to purge regapps from the command
line version of purge (although they're still contagious via xrefs). 2006
also introduced a couple of methods to clean up named layer filters from the
old days (FILTERS, LAYERFILTERALERT). I've been able to use all of these
methods either in startup routines or in Scriptpro to clean up what used to
be a very bloated drawing base.

--
Ralph Sanchez
http://www.texupport.net
--


"James Maeding" wrote in message
news:5119602@discussion.autodesk.com...

Why can't the batch drawing converter, or saveas, watch for the bad AEC
objects, or any AEC objects and explode them?
And how about at the same time it kills excess App ID's and excess layer
filters?
Now that would be some subscription money put to good use!
*James Maeding
Message 9 of 24 (166 Views)

Re: Do you still have to explode LDT (AEC...) objects from 2007 to get working drawings in 2006?

03-23-2006 04:06 PM in reply to: *James Maeding
Ralph, if you are happy with the things you mentioned to deal with App ID's and layer filters, you are missing out.
Autodesk did a huge favor for us and wrote me an exe that purges both app ids and layer filters super fast.
Its 20 times faster than anything else at least.
Its called PurgeIDs and its free on cadthinking.com. Its for A2000 to A2006, but not 2007 yet.
They did not let me distribute for a while due to the fact I was the only one testing it. Its free now though.

Only warning is to watch out when using it on R14 version files. Its best to back things up before running it.
I wrote the dialog box for it, but Adesk wrote the actual cleaning mechanism.
Dont even mess with the purge command in 2006, its slow and crashes sometimes.
Make sure you read the readme of the PurgeIDs, it explains the usage patterns.

Ralph Sanchez
|>For those who have read my posts in the past or visited my website, it's
|>pretty evident that I'm a huge critic of the existing bugs that have been
|>around for years. I have to give credit where credit is due, though - For
|>controlling AppIDs and Named Layer Filters, we really have seen progress
|>from Autodesk over the last several releases. I believe in 2004 named layer
|>filters stopped being contagious (although they never should have been in
|>the first place). 2005 added the ability to purge regapps from the command
|>line version of purge (although they're still contagious via xrefs). 2006
|>also introduced a couple of methods to clean up named layer filters from the
|>old days (FILTERS, LAYERFILTERALERT). I've been able to use all of these
|>methods either in startup routines or in Scriptpro to clean up what used to
|>be a very bloated drawing base.
|>
|>--
|>Ralph Sanchez
|>http://www.texupport.net
James Maeding
Civil Engineer and Programmer
jmaeding - athunsaker - com
*Ralph Sanchez
Message 10 of 24 (166 Views)

Re: Do you still have to explode LDT (AEC...) objects from 2007 to get working drawings in 2006?

03-23-2006 04:57 PM in reply to: *James Maeding
I've actually used it quite a bit on my 2002/LD3 systems, and I
frequently recommend it to others. I appreciate the work that you put
into it. It's been a great contribution to the AutoCAD community.

On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 00:06:29 +0000, James Maeding
wrote:

>Ralph, if you are happy with the things you mentioned to deal with App ID's and layer filters, you are missing out.
>Autodesk did a huge favor for us and wrote me an exe that purges both app ids and layer filters super fast.
>Its 20 times faster than anything else at least.
>Its called PurgeIDs and its free on cadthinking.com. Its for A2000 to A2006, but not 2007 yet.
>They did not let me distribute for a while due to the fact I was the only one testing it. Its free now though.
>
>Only warning is to watch out when using it on R14 version files. Its best to back things up before running it.
>I wrote the dialog box for it, but Adesk wrote the actual cleaning mechanism.
>Dont even mess with the purge command in 2006, its slow and crashes sometimes.
>Make sure you read the readme of the PurgeIDs, it explains the usage patterns.

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